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Should football players be held to a higher standard?

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buckeyeboy said:
That's probably true, but how likely is it to happen? I'd imagine that most people who drink at all drive regularly after having > 1 beer per hour, which is all that it takes to be over the legal limit. If that's the case, I'd call such a person who does so regularly a hypocrite even if he disavows such actions after each such instance.
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You can't just make blanket statements saying that "most people" who drink probably drive under the influence "regularly." I'm sorry, that's just asinine.
 
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buckeyeboy said:
Because I'd wager that at least 99% of those calling Boone and his actions stupid have done the exact same thing at one time or another.
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I'm always amused by the "glass houses" or hypocrite defense when it comes to DUI's. This is one of the funnier ones. I would guess that 100% of intelligent humans and 99.9% of dumb ones know drinking and driving is dumb as hell and would call Boone's incident stupid. I'm not going to wager that at least 99% of those people have done the same thing. The kid was a royal dumbass and is going to get punished (deservedly so). Making lame excuses for him by calling fans hypocrites isn't going to help him or anyone else learn a lesson from this.
 
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buckeyeboy said:
Because I'd wager that at least 99% of those calling Boone and his actions stupid have done the exact same thing at one time or another.
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I'm sorry but I'm sick of people on this site writing off drinking, drinking and driving, and weed. What he did was against the law. It was stupid. Saying other people do it doesn't make it any less so.

Also, saying 99% of the people on this site is insulting to me. I would hope there is a smaller percentage of idiots on this site.
 
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buckeyeboy said:
:slappy: . Go luck up the definition of "hypocrisy" in the dictionary, and see if it says anthing about different standards applying to different types of people. That's the whole idea, fella.
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Ok, one more time for you junior...

Anyone here who has a problem with Alex and his DUI relates that to tOSU football. If John Doe, 2nd year Business major, gets a DUI, nobody gives two squirts about it.

Therefore, obviously, the attention given to a football player is obviously much more intense.

Therefore, obviously the decision-making process of John Doe and Alex Boone must be vastly different.

That is what your "hypocrites" are saying...not that they never had a drink and drove a vehicle. If you really don't see different standards between Alex Boone and John Doe, well, I'm not sure how to explain that one to you.

Did you understand it that time? That's the whole idea there junior.
 
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BB73 said:
I'd wager that many of these same folks would now also classify their own behavior as stupid. That sounds like admitting a mistake, rather than hypocrisy.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
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Above is a quote by me. Here's buckeyeboy's response;

buckeyeboy said:
Hypocrisy entails condemning another's actions while committing the same actions onself. Go look it up. That's exactly what's being done here. And for what it's worth (not that I think it's relevant, but I'll respond b/c it was a shortsighted attempt to rebut my argument), those people are not somehow made less hypocritical simply b/c Alex plays for the Buckeyes and they do not.
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15 minutes later, Bucky Katt posted this:

Bucky Katt said:
That is assuming that said person continues to commit the act. If someone had a DUI at one point an calls him/herself stupid, they are permitted to say Boone did something stupid without being hypocritical.
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buckeyeboy's response to that:

buckeyeboy said:
That's probably true, but how likely is it to happen? I'd imagine that most people who drink at all drive regularly after having > 1 beer per hour, which is all that it takes to be over the legal limit. If that's the case, I'd call such a person who does so regularly a hypocrite even if he disavows such actions after each such instance.
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It appears that he has changed the nature of his response in less than 30 minutes. Is that hypocrisy, or admitting a mistake? :tongue2:
 
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buckeyeboy said:
You're probably right. Drinking never occurs at bars, parties, or other public places. People only drink when they're at home. :roll1:
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Right...because people never designate a driver. Or stay at the place of the party. Or realize that they are intoxicated and call a ride. :roll1:

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I can tell you that I've never done it. And I suspect a lot of other people would say the same thing. So stop making generalizations about people that you don't even know.
 
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Should he be held to a higher standard? Yes in a way. What I mean by that is if he or anyone else breaks a law they should be punished. There should be really no difference in the law end of the punishment. When I say in a way I am referring to the fact that since he is a known member of the community it is also going to become public knowledge which is the higher standard in my opinion.

Also as part of an elite group he should be held to the standards of that group. Ovrall it was a poor choice by Boone, one that many have made before, and I'm sure many wil mak in the future. I'm sure Boone has already seen the error of his ways and by the time the seasn starts this will be a distant memory in the eys of most of us.
 
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In my life, have I had a drink (where I was over the legal limit) and driven? Yes. Was I stupid for doing it? Yes. Is Alex Boone stupid for doing it? Yes. Was Steve Bellisari stupid for doing it? Yes. We are all stupid if we do it! If I had gotten pulled over while a student at OSU, it isn't newsworthy, but a football player..it is newsworthy. If a student gets caught cheating on a test, that isn't newsworthy unless the student is a football player. Yes these are different standards, but that comes with the territory.

Now today if I were to get pulled over for a DUI it would be a minor news story due to my position whereas if my neighbor gets pulled over, it would not be a news story. I don't see a problem with that at all. I call it accepting the responsibilities that comes with certain things in life.

Whether one wants it or not (and I think most, if not all, athletes wants it), being in the spotlight means you are in the spotlight at all times, not just when on the field.

Like I said before, I'm sure Alex has already learned his lesson from all of this and feels very sorry about it. He certainly doesn't need grandiose statements by you "to help him or anyone else learn a lesson from this."
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Alex has not yet "learned his lessons from all this" but I trust JT will ensure that he does. One can argue that he should have learned from the mistake that Steve Bellisari made, yet he obviously didn't. So i think the "grandiose" statement is needed because I would bet Pete Rose $50 that before 2010 is over, there will be another OSU football player pulled over for a DUI. In other words, no matter how many times it has happened for someone else to learn the lesson from another's mistake, there will always be one who thinks it can't happen to them, I won't get caught, etc. and will do something stupid.
 
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Yes they should be held to a higher standard, and yes it is indeed fair. They are recieving a top-notch education, at no cost out of pocket, that thousands of kids their age will not get the opportunity to recieve due to financial or other circumstances.
 
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buckiprof said:
Alex has not yet "learned his lessons from all this" but I trust JT will ensure that he does.
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I don't think you're in the position to say this. He could have reflected on what happened and could be very sorry for what he did. He could have talked with coaches or family regarding his actions and could have learned his lesson based on those conversations. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I don't know how you can make such a definitive statement that Alex hasn't yet learned his lesson from this. No offense, but you have no idea what impact the events of the last few days might have had on him. Regardless, people on this board calling him or his actions stupid adds nothing positive to the situation IMO.
 
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buckeyeboy said:
I don't think you're in the position to say this. He could have reflected on what happened and could be very sorry for what he did. He could have talked with coaches or family regarding his actions and could have learned his lesson based on those conversations. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I don't know how you can make such a definitive statement that Alex hasn't yet learned his lesson from this. No offense, but you have no idea what impact the events of the last few days might have had on him. Regardless, people on this board calling him or his actions stupid adds nothing positive to the situation IMO.
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And you saying 99% of the people on this board drink and drive does?
 
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