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SG Jordan Sibert (Atlanta Hawks)

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BuckTilIDie6;2139050; said:
Best of luck to Jordan. Showed he was a true team first guy the way he handled a tough year an didn't complain. Will definitely be following him and hoping he succeeds!
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You know, transferring away isn't exactly a team-first thing. If he does in fact transfer, which I don't think is 100% a certainty at this point, I respect the way he's acted to this point, and certainly we've seen guys handle the lack of big minutes/transferring worse (to this point). But you're going in the opposite direction of team when you leave a program that made the Final Four and won the league in your only 2 years, at the same time the starter at your position graduates leaving a possible opening for you to earn more minutes. It can't be the team's success that has you disappointed.

I don't mean to make it seem like he doesn't have the right to transfer, but transferring is the opposite of team-first. I still feel like he'd have a legit shot at making the rotation next year if he stayed, worked hard and improved - he's just got to shoot the ball a lot better.
 
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As an OSU and Dayton fan, I really hope he transfers. I think he still has the potential to be really good, but may never get off the bench to prove it (Walter Offut). I think he could really make a big impact at UD, especially because we're severely lacking in shooting guards right now. We'll hopefully pick one up soon, but the spot is completely wide open. As far as basketball goes, a player could do much worse than playing at UD. Really loyal fan base where basketball is the top sport and in arguably the best non-BCS conference in the country.
 
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Bucknut24;2139837; said:
just an fyi, I read that this hasn't happened yet....

It may still happen, but he hasn't turned in any transfer papers yet apparently, and still wrestling with the decision
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Correct, not official yet. Not sure about the wrestling with decision part, but those close to him feel it will happen.
 
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DZ83CK;2139243; said:
You know, transferring away isn't exactly a team-first thing. If he does in fact transfer, which I don't think is 100% a certainty at this point, I respect the way he's acted to this point, and certainly we've seen guys handle the lack of big minutes/transferring worse (to this point). But you're going in the opposite direction of team when you leave a program that made the Final Four and won the league in your only 2 years, at the same time the starter at your position graduates leaving a possible opening for you to earn more minutes. It can't be the team's success that has you disappointed.

I don't mean to make it seem like he doesn't have the right to transfer, but transferring is the opposite of team-first. I still feel like he'd have a legit shot at making the rotation next year if he stayed, worked hard and improved - he's just got to shoot the ball a lot better.
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There's a certain assistant coach on staff that likely won't be in Jordan's corner the rest of the way... That may be a hindrance for him to earn any minutes going forward. More to do with that than how he's shot the ball...

He was passed by a couple of frosh for minutes, and Matta doesn't go more than 7-8 deep at the most during the season. So the deck is stacked against him for a number of reasons...
 
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I don't mean to make it seem like he doesn't have the right to transfer, but transferring is the opposite of team-first.
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I understand this common point of view - but disagree.

It is team-first while you are part of a team. It is me-first in deciding what team you wish to be a part of. He is not walking out the night before the big game. (Assuming he is leaving at all.) IMO at the end of every season in every sport everybody becomes a free agent to one degree or another.

And in any response be sure to address Evan Ravenel.
 
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Oh8ch;2139884; said:
I understand this common point of view - but disagree.

It is team-first while you are part of a team. It is me-first in deciding what team you wish to be a part of. He is not walking out the night before the big game. (Assuming he is leaving at all.) IMO at the end of every season in every sport everybody becomes a free agent to one degree or another.

And in any response be sure to address Evan Ravenel.
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IMO, he already decided what team to be a part of. He was given a fair chance to earn minutes last year, but sub-par shooting cost him his spot in the rotation. It's not like he lost his PT based on some fluke or whimsical decision. The starter at his position is gone, opening up another chance for him to earn minutes. He just has to work hard and improve his shooting and he can be a big part of his current team again. I don't think he ought to consider himself in the phase where he's got to think of himself first - he should be thinking "how do I get better so I can earn a bigger role on the team I'm on" rather than "I should give up on OSU and go somewhere else where I'm guaranteed to play a lot."

I think it's unnecessarily me-first when a guy leaves a great team where he has/had a legit chance to earn a role. Ravenel, that logic does not apply to him. He left after his coach was let go, which that in and of itself justifies a transfer moreso than anything Sibert has had happen to him to justify a transfer. Plus, Ravenel went from a mediocre/bad program to a great one - that by itself is also a good justification. BC has been a dumpster fire after Skinner left - did you see how bad they were last year?

I question why Sibert would leave now with a legit chance of earning PT next year and the team being successful with the same coaching staff. The reasoning just doesn't add up to me unless you consider the factor of selfishness. I think these kids should know what they're signing up for when they come to OSU - they sign up to be a part of a great team that is capable of winning conference titles and making deep tourney runs. They know that Matta typically doesn't play guys unless they can contribute well on both ends of the court. If a kid wanted to be the man or be assured of playing 30+ minutes a game, he could go to the MAC or something out of HS.

I guess if he believes he's not going to improve and play better next year, it would be wise of him to transfer, because it's not likely he will play much more next year unless his shooting improves significantly. But if he is committed to improving and earning more PT at OSU, then I think that's the best-case scenario for him and OSU both.

I think Sibert's potential for being in the rotation next year is being underestimated by fans. It's as simple as shoot better, play more. The guys he's competing with for minutes all shot poorly last year - not hard to figure out whoever steps it up shooting the ball will be in line for more PT.
 
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A kid gets four years of his life to play college basketball. I don't blame him if he just wants to see the court somewhere, and has come to the conclusion that he won't be able to do it here.

Sometimes that works out (see Offut, Walter) and sometimes it doesn't (see Crater, Noopy). I think Siebert will be more WO than NC, and wish him luck if he moves on.
 
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DZ83CK;2140715; said:
I question why Sibert would leave now with a legit chance of earning PT next year and the team being successful with the same coaching staff. The reasoning just doesn't add up to me unless you consider the factor of selfishness. I think these kids should know what they're signing up for when they come to OSU - they sign up to be a part of a great team that is capable of winning conference titles and making deep tourney runs. They know that Matta typically doesn't play guys unless they can contribute well on both ends of the court. If a kid wanted to be the man or be assured of playing 30+ minutes a game, he could go to the MAC or something out of HS.

I guess if he believes he's not going to improve and play better next year, it would be wise of him to transfer, because it's not likely he will play much more next year unless his shooting improves significantly. But if he is committed to improving and earning more PT at OSU, then I think that's the best-case scenario for him and OSU both.

I think Sibert's potential for being in the rotation next year is being underestimated by fans. It's as simple as shoot better, play more. The guys he's competing with for minutes all shot poorly last year - not hard to figure out whoever steps it up shooting the ball will be in line for more PT.
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You're being pretty 1-sided on this. Very obtuse.

Like I said a few posts up, Sibert likely doesn't have a fair chance at earning any PT, based on how a certain assistant coach on staff feels about him.
 
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OSUBucks22;2140776; said:
Very obtuse.
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What did you call me?!?

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OSUBucks22;2140776; said:
Like I said a few posts up, Sibert likely doesn't have a fair chance at earning any PT, based on how a certain assistant coach on staff feels about him.
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If true, this is pretty unsettling, as I'd like to think that all OSU players have a fair shot at earning playing time. That said, if the assistant coach's thoughts are based on past performance or something else Sibert has done, I don't think it's correct to say that Sibert doesn't have a fair shot at earning playing time, as it would ignore the reason(s) he got sideways with the coaching staff. It just seems to be that Matta wouldn't keep around an assistant coach that is just haphazardly holding grudges against players for no good reason.
 
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