Scholarship Entltlement

[JCOSU86]

Not only that, but without "Joe, the 6-11 shot blocker" that borderline student wouldn't even have a chance anyways. Basketball and football programs open more opportunity to students, not take away.

This is a ridiculous argument on just about every point.

Not 100% sure about that bill. The revenue generated by the football and men's basketball teams pay for all the other sports and I think the stadiums built for other sports. If that is what you mean by opportunity then you are correct. It only effects a small percentage of the student population, however.

 

[nwbuckeye]

Does stereotyping people, and negatively at that, make you feel better somehow? Whose to say Greg Oden doesn't love college? Butler nearly left this past offseason... I guess he didn't take his gift seriously

I suppose the next thing you are gonna call me a racist too. My definition of the 1-and- done (to be called 1ad from now on) is somebody who enrolls in college because the NBA says they have to, not because they are there like 90% of the other kids with the INTENT at least to pursue a degree. And remember if we have a few more Maurice Clarett types out there pushing the courts into a bad decision, the NFL may soon have a similiar policy so 1ad could being happening in college football soon, who knows. I am not stereotyping anybody in my opinion, I have criticizing the idea of anybody entering college with absolutely no intent of graduating and my focus is on the scholarship as much as the player.

What about the gift of a family's support? Can't a kid take his scholarship seriously, but also take his dreams & finances seriously as well? What about not taking his family's endless time, emotional and vocational support for granted? I always love hearing players genuine excitement when they can help their parents retire to a better life... after years of hard work to get their athletic son to where he is currently.

ALL of these kids are hired guns. They are given money via scholarship (& stipends) to come win ball games for Ohio State. Some are here for a year or two (and flunk out, transfer, get hurt, or go to the NBA). Some are here for 4 years. While they are here, they pursue college degrees.

This is ridiculous too, if all of these kids were hired guns then there would be a 100% turnover of college kids into pro sports. A very very few lucky ones are able to progress from college into the pros, it may be the goal of many but it is attained by few. The majority of kids now are in college sports not because they are hired guns, but because they are elite athletes who happen to be pursuing a degree at the same tame, not the other way around.

ALL of these kids dream of playing in the NBA (at least at OSU). Most of those who stick around do so because they were not afforded the realistic opportunity to turn pro.



ALL of these kids are different. To presume the mindset and impact (both in scoring and in the lockerroom) of any of these players is presumptious and based on assumptions you're projecting upon them.

Let's get back to my original statement that I do not want the COLLEGE teams i root for to be full of Mr 1ad's and to the premise that scholarships, not spots on the team, should be offered to those who are at least on the surface serious about enrolling in school to get a degree.

Mr iad on straight six says "you know the tradition is nice and all, but what I really want is to go to a school that gives me the best chance to reach the pros" . THAT guy is a wasted scholarship because he has admitted as much that his goal is to turn his stay into college into nothing more than a chance at going on to the big time. Most of the 1ad's recruited have not blatantly said not, nor maybe it is not their intent always, who knows. But everybody who is criticizing me has probably commented on our 1ad's "there is no chance he stays past his freshman year, he is gone". Well then obviously YOU are the ones who admit he has no interest in getting a degree. Let those guys play as walk-ons if you will, but do not offer them a scholarship. Do do so is to take it away from from a kid who truely is a student athlete, and who more than likely has no way of achieving his goal without the scholarship. If Mr 1ad goes back to the university after turning pro, then good for him.

"A scholarship is an award of access to an institution, or a financial aid award for an individial student scholar, for the purpose of furthering their education" THIS is my main beef, nobody who is awarded a scholarship owes ME anything, but they do owe the university who offers it at least the intent of using it for what it is set out for. If an academic or athletic scholarship is awarded and for whatever reason, that person is unable to make it the full 4 or however many years it takes to graduate, then that I suppose is an unententional wasted scholarship. To award the scholarship to somebody who has no intent on graduating and who is using college ONLY as a stepping stone to the pros, THAT is a wasted scholarship. As far as I know basketball/football is not a degree that tOSU offers, but some lucky student athletes have gone on to the pros; a byproduct of having played at a university known for having outstanding college teams.

I can see that way too many of you are "the ends justify the means type guys" and if you wanna see college sports degrade into what the NFL?NBA?MLB has become then good luck. If 3 Mr 1ad's are good then a whole team full of them is better, right. I would argue that the ass-whooping that our Olympic teams full of the most talented guys in all of basketball have suffered at the hands of the international competition where they have learned to play as a team, would argue that talent alone does not always win championships. I would prefer to see the natural progression of fr-soph-jr-sr mix of teams building up for a magical run at the NC, then to see kids allowed to play college sports, who are "college kids", in name only.

Universities are in place to allow students to further their knowledge and turn them out into the workforce where their advanced skills and training are needed. It is not their goal to turn out professional players.

Scholarships are granted in intent at least to students who are using them to achieve their ultimate goal of graduation. A very select few athletes on scholarship are good enough to go pro after their college career, the vast majority of them do not and are dependent upon their degree for a livelyhood afterwards. Those that are lucky enough to return for their degree I say koodos to you, but pitty the one athlete NOT given a scholarship because it was taken by a non-student.

To turn OUR university into a school where one year and done becomes the rule, rather than the exception, is a travesty and will lose the interest of this and many other fans who appreciate college athletics for what they are. Change is inevitable, but not always for good. Make fun of me if you will, speaking out publically opens oneself up to criticism; but ask yourself what you enjoy most about college sports and see if turning it into a semi-pro like junior league for the BIGS is what you want it to degrade into.

 

[jwinslow]

Well, it seems you will continue to duck the topic of Matta's recruiting being 2 years in... so I guess there's no sense in trying to have a civil debate about it.

I suppose the next thing you are gonna call me a racist too.

Why exactly would I do that? Now your reckless assumptions are pervading not only into how you want to fit me into a box... but also how you think I'll attack you? Ridiculous.

I've stated my case quite clearly as to your affinity for vitriolic stereotypes and the reckless effects of those. You obviously aren't interested in backing down from those directed at bball players or me... though you do not seem to be claiming ignorance any longer.

Universities are in place to allow students to further their knowledge and turn them out into the workforce where their advanced skills and training are needed. It is not their goal to turn out professional players.

What you refuse to acknowledge is that professional basketball is a very legitimate occupation in the workforce and a successful one at that. It is possible to have more than one goal for multiple career routes. There is no shame in pursuing a dream occupation, and then shifting to a second once you've exhausted the first.

I can see that way too many of you are "the ends justify the means type guys" and if you wanna see college sports degrade into what the NFL?NBA?MLB has become then good luck.

More denigrating stereotypes of the opposing viewpoint and hyperbole instead of civil debate.

This thread has long since run it's course.