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Someone on another board posted that a Chicago station talk guy somehow knew that it involved players in the NL Central and AL East.
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Career statsSloopy45 said:
Knoblauch: .289 BA/.378 OB/.406 SLG/.784 OPS
Jeff Kent: .289/.354/.506/.860
Knobby had a better glove but there is no way you can seriously compare the bats. Kent has the same career BA and nearly the same OB% while absolutely smoking Knobby in any power category you want to look up. Kent's also a 4 time all-star and a former MVP. Knobby was a 4 time all-star as well but an MVP > a lone GG.
I don't really think much of Kent as a person but he's one of the top offensive 2B of all time. If you want to just go by the best season each guy ever had then Kents MVP season of 2000 where he hit 33 HR/125 RBI/114Runs while batting .334 and OPSing 1020 just absolutely smokes anything Knobby ever did.
As far as the Jeff Kent HOF argument goes how in the hell do you put Sandberg in and not Kent? Kent has better offensive numbers in every category and they are even in MVP's. Sandberg has a bunch of GG's but Kents the all time HR leader for 2B how do you not put him in the HOF?
Kent also has better offensive stats than Joe Morgan and Tony Lazzeri. In fact the only 2B you will find thats clearly a better offensive player than Kent is Hornsby who just happens to be the best of all time.
Bottom line is all of these names he compares very favorably to, are in the HOF and Kent will be as well.
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High Lonesome
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all that would mean to me is that kent might not get first ballot, he will be in the Hall though
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Agreed. Personal biasas set aside you can't dispute his offensive resume and thats what they use to measure HOFers. Ozzie Smith is the only one I can think of thats in for the leather.High Lonesome said:
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A sad day in the world of baseball, but a very happy day for my father. My dad is a game warden who loves telling me of his hatred for Roger Clemons, apparntly he was hunting without a lisceince so father gave him the standard ticket to which the rocket went on to throw a tantrum repeating 'do you not know who i am!?!?'.
Plus the much more publicized, spitting on the Ump at his kids baseball game, his fued with Piazza and the all-star game drama, and his all-round asshole attitude that has been shown on various talk shows as Jay Leno. (I'm probably forgetting a bunch more); but it just seems as if to me it shouldn't really be that dark of a day in baseball, the man is an asshole and i thought that showed through to most other people also.
Nobody would be sad to see Bonds busted, I view Clemons the same way...
Plus the much more publicized, spitting on the Ump at his kids baseball game, his fued with Piazza and the all-star game drama, and his all-round asshole attitude that has been shown on various talk shows as Jay Leno. (I'm probably forgetting a bunch more); but it just seems as if to me it shouldn't really be that dark of a day in baseball, the man is an asshole and i thought that showed through to most other people also.
Nobody would be sad to see Bonds busted, I view Clemons the same way...
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It seems you're right... I've fallen victim of reading the news and not fiinding one of the 3 publications that bother to make a retraction when mistaken (as a Buckeye fan I should know better)tibor75 said:
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Ben Walker / Associated Press
Roger Clemens was given an emphatic apology Thursday for "unjustly" being ejected from his 10-year-old son's baseball game last weekend in Colorado.
David King, president of tournament organizer Triple Crown Sports, said "Mr. Clemens was a non-aggressor and a victim of mistaken identity and confusion" by an upset umpire.
Clemens was asked to leave son Kacy's game Saturday in Craig, Colo., when a 22-year-old ump said the Houston Astros pitcher spit a sunflower seed at him. Moments earlier, Kacy was called out on a stolen base attempt - the fielder later admitted he missed the tag - and the Rocket watched the rest of the contest from a parking lot.
"Mr. Clemens never raised his voice, never physically confronted our official, nor was he ever on the field of play," King said in a written statement, underlining those words.
"Mr. Clemens was unjustly asked to leave the field of play," King said. "For all of this, we apologize to Mr. Clemens."
King spoke to the future Hall of Famer by telephone to apologize personally.
Clemens was sitting on a bucket, behind a fence near the first base dugout, when Kacy was called out at second base in the middle innings of a game the Bakersfield (Calif.) Curve won 11-5.
The Katy coaches and fans complained about the call, but witnesses said Clemens never said a word. The umpire came over to quiet the ruckus, and said he was hit in the pants cuff by a sunflower seed spit by Clemens.
Clemens left without an argument and said "he didn't want to be distraction and to let the boys play ball," Katy manager Doug Hanson said.
King said the Katy coaches were contesting the call and "our official was upset and angered and approached the area to remove someone. In our official's judgment, a seed had come from the area during the coaches' arguments.
"After reviewing the situation, including the location of the official, it is impossible to believe that a seed was spit at our official by Roger Clemens or anyone."
King did not identify the young umpire, but said he was a schoolteacher and in his seventh year of calling games.
"With all the complaining the Katy coaches were doing, one of them probably deserved to be gone," King said. "But the vision and the reality, it took it in a direction that didn't happen."
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C'mon, Tibor - let's not let the facts get in the way of good, clean hatred
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Sloopy45
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Jaxbuck: "Kent has the same career BA and nearly the same OB% while absolutely smoking Knobby in any power category you want to look up."
First off, you're comparing career stats. The argument was, IN THEIR PRIME, who was a better player, Kent or Knobby?
Obviously, Kent is going to smoke Knobby in the power categories, and Knobby will smoke Kent in the speed categories.
Secondly, lets take this into account: Knobby (after Puckett retired) was the best player on the Twins. Kent was a 2nd wheel to Bonds. I don't care what anybody says, if Kent doesn't have Barroid batting in front of him, he doesn't sniff an MVP. Sorry. Throw the numbers away, and just look at the players: could Kent stand alone as the best player on a team? No way.
Thirdly, Kent is another one of those guys (a la Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, Luis Gonzalez, Bret Boone, etc - if you catch my drift) who was in the Big Leagues FOREVER & was just a decent offensive player before coming out of nowhere to put up huge stats. You can draw your own conclusions from that.
"As far as the Jeff Kent HOF argument goes how in the hell do you put Sandberg in and not Kent?"
Dude, its different eras - in the 80's, there was only one 2B in baseball that put up 20+ dongs, 80+ RBI, 30+ SB, a .300 AVG, & a Gold Glove every season: and his name was Ryne Sandberg. He was unquestionably the best player at his position in baseball for 10 years, and nobody else was close.
Kent can't claim anything close to that. Just compare how Sandberg dominated his era compared to Kent:
Ryno: 10 straight All-Star selections, 9 Gold Gloves, 7 Silver Sluggers, 1984 MVP, 3 Top 5 MVP finishes, and he probably had his best season (1990) in a year that he didn't win the MVP.
"Kent has better offensive numbers in every category and they are even in MVP's."
Doesn't matter. Kent played in the juiced ball/steroid/small ballpark era. Sandberg never had a great hitter to help him in the line-up, and played in a dead ball era.
"Sandberg has a bunch of GG's but Kents the all time HR leader for 2B how do you not put him in the HOF?"
Simply because if you are the All-time leading HR hitter as a pitcher or a DH, does that mean you should have instant election to Cooperstown? No. So that shouldn't be an automatic selection for any other position. Especially since Kent has a very pedestrian total of 300 lifetime homers. If he could tack on 200 more to that total, THEN we're talking HOF.
"Kent also has better offensive stats than Joe Morgan and Tony Lazzeri."
See the same Ryno argument above.
"Ozzie Smith is the only one I can think of thats in for the leather."
Brooks Robinson too.
First off, you're comparing career stats. The argument was, IN THEIR PRIME, who was a better player, Kent or Knobby?
Obviously, Kent is going to smoke Knobby in the power categories, and Knobby will smoke Kent in the speed categories.
Secondly, lets take this into account: Knobby (after Puckett retired) was the best player on the Twins. Kent was a 2nd wheel to Bonds. I don't care what anybody says, if Kent doesn't have Barroid batting in front of him, he doesn't sniff an MVP. Sorry. Throw the numbers away, and just look at the players: could Kent stand alone as the best player on a team? No way.
Thirdly, Kent is another one of those guys (a la Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, Luis Gonzalez, Bret Boone, etc - if you catch my drift) who was in the Big Leagues FOREVER & was just a decent offensive player before coming out of nowhere to put up huge stats. You can draw your own conclusions from that.
"As far as the Jeff Kent HOF argument goes how in the hell do you put Sandberg in and not Kent?"
Dude, its different eras - in the 80's, there was only one 2B in baseball that put up 20+ dongs, 80+ RBI, 30+ SB, a .300 AVG, & a Gold Glove every season: and his name was Ryne Sandberg. He was unquestionably the best player at his position in baseball for 10 years, and nobody else was close.
Kent can't claim anything close to that. Just compare how Sandberg dominated his era compared to Kent:
Ryno: 10 straight All-Star selections, 9 Gold Gloves, 7 Silver Sluggers, 1984 MVP, 3 Top 5 MVP finishes, and he probably had his best season (1990) in a year that he didn't win the MVP.
"Kent has better offensive numbers in every category and they are even in MVP's."
Doesn't matter. Kent played in the juiced ball/steroid/small ballpark era. Sandberg never had a great hitter to help him in the line-up, and played in a dead ball era.
"Sandberg has a bunch of GG's but Kents the all time HR leader for 2B how do you not put him in the HOF?"
Simply because if you are the All-time leading HR hitter as a pitcher or a DH, does that mean you should have instant election to Cooperstown? No. So that shouldn't be an automatic selection for any other position. Especially since Kent has a very pedestrian total of 300 lifetime homers. If he could tack on 200 more to that total, THEN we're talking HOF.
"Kent also has better offensive stats than Joe Morgan and Tony Lazzeri."
See the same Ryno argument above.
"Ozzie Smith is the only one I can think of thats in for the leather."
Brooks Robinson too.
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High Lonesome
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I have a hard time believing that you truely believe that "knobby" is better than kent, even if you think that there primes were similar, Chuck did nothing after his "prime" Kent has stayed consistant.
so now your saying that kent juices? I guess its possible; however, kent is still putting up numbers, all of those guys are falling way off
If you were any other poster I would have disregarded the entire post after reading this statement. Pitchers get in for pitching and have nothing to do with this discussion, DH's, for the most part, are players that are not good enough to be in the field and by definition should not be in the hall. THEY CAN'T PLAY HALF THE GAME!! Right now the only DHs, that I can think of, that are even on pace for consideration are David Ortiz and Edgar Martinez.
So Wrigley Field and Andre Dawson are nothing right?
Does Piazza get in? I could make just about the same arguement for him that you are against kent, and he is even a worse fielder, yet all i ever hear is that he is a lock.
so now your saying that kent juices? I guess its possible; however, kent is still putting up numbers, all of those guys are falling way off
If you were any other poster I would have disregarded the entire post after reading this statement. Pitchers get in for pitching and have nothing to do with this discussion, DH's, for the most part, are players that are not good enough to be in the field and by definition should not be in the hall. THEY CAN'T PLAY HALF THE GAME!! Right now the only DHs, that I can think of, that are even on pace for consideration are David Ortiz and Edgar Martinez.
So Wrigley Field and Andre Dawson are nothing right?
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