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It's stunning to me that the feds are being blamed for this rather than the roid user who was too damn stubborn to just plead the 5th.
Perjury is a crime against the American system of justice. Just because someone has a lot of money to spend to make it expensive for the government to prosecute doesn't mean the gov't should turn a blind eye.
His acquittal is a huge blow. Perjury is already one of the least pursued offenses because of how difficult it is to prove. In a case where the government clearly had the evidence, it just makes it less likely that these cases will be sought in the future.
So lie away America!
Perjury is a crime against the American system of justice. Just because someone has a lot of money to spend to make it expensive for the government to prosecute doesn't mean the gov't should turn a blind eye.
His acquittal is a huge blow. Perjury is already one of the least pursued offenses because of how difficult it is to prove. In a case where the government clearly had the evidence, it just makes it less likely that these cases will be sought in the future.
So lie away America!
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Jake
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OH10;2168137; said:
According to reporters who were actually in the court room the government's evidence was weak, relied too heavily on McNamee, and by the time he was done no one in the room believed him. Sounds like there was plenty of lying to go around, and for Congress to get pissed off about someone lying is beyond hilarious.
This entire trial was horseshit. It arose out of congressional grandstanding, making players testify before them to score points with idiot voters. Losing this case should make it less likely for crap like that to happen in the future, but it won't. The same ass clowns will do it again if they feel it is politically expedient.
I couldn't care less if Clemens shot up or not. The day MLB stops allowing teams to tinker with the field dimensions is the day the record book will actually be consistent and that day hasn't happened, yet. They've been doing it from day one. Steroids is just one of many things that have "tainted" the record books over the years.
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Jake;2168327; said:
That's pretty much verbatim what I heard Roger Cossack say today - which seems to be the ESPN company line today. The problem is that Andy Pettite testified that Roger Clemens confessed to him to using HGH. As far as I know, Pettite had no reason to lie and his testimony clearly backs up what McNamee was saying.
Major League Baseball has an anti-trust exemption granted to them by Congress. You can call it "grandstanding" all you want, but they have a vested interest in MLB operations and oversight (or lack thereof). If MLB wants Congress to stay out of it, maybe they should relinquish their exemption.
I couldn't give a shit less about the record books. This case was about lying under oath when Clemens could have easily just taken the 5th. He lied and the government felt they could prove it. Just because Clemens had the means to make the prosecution expensive doesn't mean perjury should be overlooked.
With regards to steroids in sports, the guys that choose not to cheat are the ones that get cheated. Clemens was able to extend his career using illegal methods (I say "illegal" because he was taking "illegal" substances, not necessarily because he was or wasn't breaking MLB rules). He and a bunch of other cheaters were taking roster spots and money away from guys that were trying to make it the right way. It's bullshit and it's theft by deception.
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BayBuck
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OH10;2168334; said:
Pettitte backed off that testimony this time around, saying he may have "misremembered," and fortunately for Clemens, McNamee is a completely worthless witness in a case where his credibility counts for a lot. So you think Clemens lied? Final jury verdict is not guilty, period amen, so I'm with all those who say the government is the big loser here.
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BayBuck;2168375; said:
Yes, I'm fairly confident Clemens lied. Pettite didn't back off. He testified that Roger told him he used HGH to help with recovery.
?Roger had mentioned to me that he had taken H.G.H. and that it could help with recovery,? Pettitte said.
I guess anytime the verdict is Not Guilty, the government loses. Obviously. But it doesn't mean that a person is innocent. Ask O.J. Ask Casey Anthony.
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BayBuck
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OH10;2168380; said:
Obviously. So the government has to make the tough decisions about which cases are worth pursuing, and I just can't get myself to care whether Clemens lied here about something he did there. If the steroids are really the issue, go after him for that, but the perjury case had already gotten a mistrial and still relied solely on witness testimony from a decade+ ago. It was always a loser for the feds.
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Pitching again at age 50 for the Sugar Land Skeeters.
http://news.yahoo.com/roger-clemens-returning-baseball-183044002--mlb.html
Egotistical asshat is doing this for one reason only -- targeting one start with the Astros this September to postpone his HoF clock another five years, that way when it comes around in 2018 he's not in a conversation with McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, and Palmeiro.
http://news.yahoo.com/roger-clemens-returning-baseball-183044002--mlb.html
Egotistical asshat is doing this for one reason only -- targeting one start with the Astros this September to postpone his HoF clock another five years, that way when it comes around in 2018 he's not in a conversation with McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, and Palmeiro.
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