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sluTiger
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BuckeyeMike80;1035114; said:
At least it isn't a "invent-a-rivalry" like the Golden Boot is
I agree, the boot thing is stupid as shit, I do not get that... Let me see THE GAME
Cross state rival, records do not matter because each team shows up and plays hard, hard hitting, national title implications, long and storied history, does that sum it up?
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OCBucksFan
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sluTiger;1035113; said:
What's to explain? You're taking this years game and using it to rate the entire Ohio State/Michigan rivalry as a whole. You're not taking last years game into consideration which was one of the most viewed college football games of all time, you're not taking the history behind it or how much it means to people who were born in those two states. If I am wrong here, I am sorry, I am not trying to put words in your mouth, but most of the time there's so much on the line for that game, bragging rights, the big10 championship and in the past 6 years a right to go to the national championship game has been there three times.
What gets more intense for a rivalry than that? You say Michigan isn't a real rival, but remember, before Tressel we went 2-10-1 with John Cooper, trust me this game means a lot.
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sluTiger;1035120; said:
Well there we agree....
Ohio State Michigan is easily the biggest in-conference rivalry. Despite your opinions of the conference, the Big Ten has been one of the top football conferences for nearly 100 years now and will continue to be into the future.
Seeing as this game has more often than not determined who went to the biggest and most historically significant bowl game in the pre-BCS era (and even in the post-BCS era, just not as automatically), it is considerably more prestigious than you seem to think.
Over-simplification, but closer than you were.....
If you really want to get into it, it's more than just a football rivalry considering the two states nearly went to war over Toledo and the lake port there......
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sluTiger
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BuckeyeMike80;1035124; said:
I was describing the Ole Miss/LSU rivalry... We have been playing them since 1894 with many national title implications over the years. I can defiantly understand the OSU/UM game, it is a great rivalry... I am going to go look at my history about Toledo, interesting...
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sluTiger;1035143; said:
Yeah but not nearly the National Title or even Conference championship implications as Ohio State/Michigan
And Ohio State Michigan has been playing since 1897......
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sluTiger
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BuckeyeMike80;1035146; said:
I am reading up on the rivalry. I agree with the NT and CC assessment. I honestly think most of that is based on the fact that Ohio and Michigan are larger population center than Miss and LA. It makes sense because college football is so regional.
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Buckeye86
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sluTiger;1035143; said:
Since 1935 The Game has directly affected the outcome of the Big Ten championship 23 times: 1935, 1938, 1942, 1943, 1948, 1952, 1956, 1961, 1979, 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005
Since 1935 The Game has decided the outright Big Ten Champ 22 times: 1944, 1949, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1964, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1986, 1997, 2003, 2006, 2007 (source)
Since 1935 after playing The Game either Ohio State or Michigan have gone on to be considered for or win a MNC (according to this) 18 times: 1942, 1944, 1947, 1948, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1964, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1985, 1997, 1998, 2002
And of course the winner of The Game has gone to the NC game the past two years as well.
I would love to see any rivalry game even come close to that kind of significance.
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OCBucksFan
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sluTiger;1035147; said:
I think regional is a term here, but not in the way you are taking it. Being born in Ohio, and moved to California, I can tell you that a lot of people here watch the game, they may be more rooting against than for someone, but there's a large base of people outside the two states who watch the game. Hell, I know a lot of SEC fans that have such a hatred for tOSU that they watch the game and hope for tOSU to lose, or worse as a Florida alumni put it at work.
A lot of people from the two states move away, I work with 3 Michigan alumni and live near one, I have seen 3 tOSU alum and 1 Michigan alum come through the office where I work, did I mention I live on the opposite side of the country?
We all have pride derived from the location of our birth, perhaps it's not as important to you, but there's that Ohioan in your city, work or what not who's got that picture of Woody on his desk, that guy who you see on the way to work with the license plate frame that reads Buckeyes, for some of us, it's our last way of showing where we are from, how we grew up, and were we learned the manners we have. THE GAME is the one thing that brings us together, the honks from the horn on the freeway, or the finger from the Michigan guy, I see it every November.
I now live in Southern California, that far away and it still has an effect on me.
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sluTiger;1035147; said:
If it were all about the size of the "population center" around the game, USC - UCLA would have it by far and away along with Ntre Ame and Michigan, both of which, while heated rivalries, aren't in the same league.
I don't get the "population center" argument. It doesn't make a lot of sense in a historical view.
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sluTiger
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MaxBuck;1035285; said:
Actually I am saying they are equal. Auburn/LSU and Florida/LSU are just as important to their fans. LSU/FLORIDA game had 90,000 people in BR outside the stadium without tickets. IT IS A BIG DEAL, seen by the nation, discussed by ESPN until people get sick, and normally has SEC or National Title implications.
OSU and Michigan do not have the exclusive understanding of rivalry in College football... OSU/Michigan is a great game, but there has not been any real good football played in that game for 4 or 5 years. OSU rolls over Michigan, no big deal...
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BuffaloBuck
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sluTiger;1035289; said:
The Game has no equal. 4 or 5 years, when held against the span of the rivalry, is nothing... Just because we beat them last year doesn't make the games not competative... they've been great (barring this season) even though we've won.
The OSU/UM rivalry spans a fan of either teams lifetime. Its not about what happened 1 year, or the next year (obviously its important to the context of that year) but what happens over the course of your life.... We have had thier number for a few years... that doesn't make the Cooper years hurt any less.
Like someone else mentioned, there are alot of rivalrys in college sports, they've only made a documentary about one.
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scarletngrey11
All right, all right, all right.
sluTiger;1035108; said:
You are right, its not like it was a #1 vs. #2 match-up last year.
EDIT: I am a huge UNC basketball fan, I was born and raised in Wilimington, North Carolina. I know that rivalry, I grew up on Tobacco Road, and it doesnt even compare to Ohio State and Michigan.
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