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Brutus1: "Unlike the Great One, he's spent most of his career playing a physical game."

The two big differences in stats between Lemieux and Gretzky are: a.) Lemieux (even in the early years) could never stay healthy. He'd always put up phenomenal numbers in abbreviated seasons. Had he been able to play 82 games each season, his numbers would've been as good (if not better) than Gretzky. And that's saying something.

b.) Gretzky played his prime on the best hockey team of all time: he had Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey, Lowe, Fuhr, etc. Lemieux was on a terrible to average Penguins team for all those years, up until they won the Stanley Cup. Lemieux had no help whatsoever.

"He made alot of money for Kevin Stevens and Jaromir Jarg."

He didn't make Jagr. Jagr's declined lately because he got the big money and doesn't care anymore. But he's still a great talent. Now on the other hand, Kevin Stevens (as well as Tomas Sandstrom, Petr Nedved, Luc Robataille, etc.) were all made by Lemieux. He even bolstered Ron Francis' offensive numbers quite a bit in those days.

"There must be something in the water at the Garden that makes players average."

The Rangers are who they are. And that's the worst organization in hockey since 1940. As much as I love the team, they got lucky and tripped over a Stanley Cup in 1994. This team is no different than my beloved Ranger teams of the 80's, except that team hustled & cared. And always (at least) made the Playoffs.
 
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He didn't make Jagr. Jagr's declined lately because he got the big money and doesn't care anymore. But he's still a great talent.
(as well as Tomas Sandstrom, Petr Nedved, Luc Robataille, etc.) were all made by Lemieux. He even bolstered Ron Francis' offensive numbers quite a bit in those days.

Uh, Lucky Luc averaged over 100pts a year for 8 years before he ever stepped on the ice with 66.

The Pens became the dominate team when they picked up Ron Francis. I'm sure Lemieux would agree to that.
 
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Brutus1: "Uh, Lucky Luc averaged over 100pts a year for 8 years before he ever stepped on the ice with 66."

Yeah, but that was in the Western Conference on a bad team. Even the other guy (forget his name, he was in the Gretzky trade) scored a ton of points on the Kings in those days. Look at Lucky's numbers in the East outside of that Penguins team.

"The Pens became the dominate team when they picked up Ron Francis. I'm sure Lemieux would agree to that."

Don't get me wrong. Francis was a GREAT player. One of the best I've ever seen. But his offensive numbers exploded playing on the Power Play with Lemieux. His numbers (if not his production) was at its peak while he was playing with Mario.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
He didn't make Jagr. Jagr's declined lately because he got the big money and doesn't care anymore. But he's still a great talent.
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I'm of the belief that it's more because of not being around Lemieux than it is he doesn't care anymore. I can't believe he shut it down because he got the fat contract. He was making good money his last few years in Pittsburgh. His years in Washington, he was frustrated alot (when I watched), something rarely seen when he was a Pen.



Bernie Nicholls ?
 
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Brutus1: "His years in Washington, he was frustrated alot (when I watched), something rarely seen when he was a Pen."

Well, we'll see. For the Rangers sake, I hope Jagr is motivated. His last few years in Pittsburgh he still put up great numbers w/o Mario. His numbers went down when he got the fat contract from the Capitals.

"Bernie Nicholls ?"

No, Jimmy Carson.
 
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2nd year in a row Nash probably deserved the MVP of the all-star game and didn't get it. Last year, they gave it to a guy with similar stats for the losing team. This year, they gave it to a guy with lesser stats on the winning team.

Regardless, 5 goals in the 2 all-star games with a hat-trick this year. Congrats on a great performance Nash.
 
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Talk about getting no respect. I guess that is what happens to players on small market teams. :(

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staal is on the team that would have been in columbus had people voted yes and the city helped pay for the arena...

im going to say this, rick doesnt care about winning the award for rick, the kid at 23 knows what people think of hockey in columbus ohio. rick wanted to win that for his city and legitimize the blue jackets, for pazzy. the nhl may have jobbed nash two years in a row on the all star game mvp, though in reality they are jobbing themselves.

i have some good quotes that im not supposed to share, lets just say the next jobbed call they are likely to come out....
 
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jimotis4heisman;1077301; said:
staal is on the team that would have been in columbus had people voted yes and the city helped pay for the arena...

im going to say this, rick doesnt care about winning the award for rick, the kid at 23 knows what people think of hockey in columbus ohio. rick wanted to win that for his city and legitimize the blue jackets, for pazzy. the nhl may have jobbed nash two years in a row on the all star game mvp, though in reality they are jobbing themselves.

i have some good quotes that im not supposed to share, lets just say the next jobbed call they are likely to come out....
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Totally agree with Rick's character... if he played college football he'd definitely be a Jim Tressel kind of player. Columbus is lucky to have him and most Jacket fans I know are of that mindset.
 
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Dispatch

Michael Arace commentary: Nash pays for lack of respect Columbus gets

Monday, January 28, 2008 5:21 AM
By Michael Arace


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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ATLANTA -- We know our city to be a thriving sports market, the epicenter of a college football cult, a place where pro sports are intently tracked, a city with one major-league team that has a healthy following of well-schooled hockey fans.

Unfortunately, there are times when the city in general, and the Blue Jackets in particular, are not held in any esteem.
The NHL All-Star Weekend provided a case in point. First, goaltender Pascal Leclaire was left off the Western Conference team. Then, Rick Nash was denied the MVP award. Conspiracy? I can't say there isn't.

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