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What We Need is a Miracle
Do you know the penalty for a head coach who loses a 7th game in a row to Ohio State?
Death by torture!
No.
Crucifixion!
Wrong. You?
They shove a living snake up your ass!
No, but that's very creative.
People start making up irrational reasons for axing you!
The lead singer of Oblivion summed up his feelings on our head coach's job in this text from last night:
Two totally irrational reasons to get rid of Richrod: 1.) "Miracles" never happen when he's coaching, and 2.) he's the unluckiest son of a bitch on the planet.The miracles thing was echoed in the comments yesterday in a TWIS bid by longtime MGoBoarder Tim Waymen:
I have no rational reasons to not see another year with dilithium, only irrational ones.
I'm quitting the internet. No more TV, I want to stay the hell away from the Midwest except for Ann Arbor. This sucks.
Forget it. If he goes, he goes. He's a good coach, but maybe just not the right man for Michigan. I also blame God and the universe, karma, etc. How is this fair? We haven't had any miracles. I hoped that today would bring redemption for RR, but instead people now have a stronger case against him. Not just a close loss, but we're getting destroyed in a game I sincerely thought we could win.
Cont....
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We can pray that they run up the score on a 3rd place MAC team in their bowl...that should get everyone back in RR's corner.
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Tlangs;1823176; said:
My fear is they get the B10's 4th Bowl slot (no idea what that is anymore), draw a team like LSU or Florida he gets one last savage Bret Bulemia style ape fucking.
Not that I'd mind watching that mind you, it would just suck knowing that was all she wrote for our boy.
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Jaxbuck;1823184; said:
At least this would mean they keep him up until the bowl game and would eliminate some coaching options.
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Bill Lucas
Assistant Coach
goblue15;1823111; said:
Harbaugh probably thinks Brandon is a joke. Michigan's going to have to do better than him if they want Harbaugh.
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Rich_Rodriguez
You Raise Me Up
Did we win? I didn't get to pay too much attention to the game, I was busy looking at the job listing in the newspaper...
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John Cooper's first three years at Ohio State:
1988: 4-6-1, with blow-out losses to Pitt (42-10), Illinois (31-12), and Indiana (41-7, perhaps the low point of the program during my lifetime); also lost to Michigan
1989: 8-4-0, with blow-out losses to Southern Cal (42-3) and Illinois (34-14); also lost to Michigan and the bowl game
1990: 7-4-1, with another loss to Michigan and another bowl game defeat (to Air Force!)
Three-year totals: 19-14-2 overall (.571 winning pct), 13-9-2 in the Big Ten, 0-3 versus Illinois, 0-3 in The Game, 0-2 in bowl games ... but he did get our last win against an SEC school (LSU in 1988, 36-33).
Coop's next two years were little better:
1991: 8-4-0, another loss to Illinois, another loss in the bowl game, and a complete ass-kicking by Michigan (31-3, that was the Desmond Howard Heisman pose game)
1992: 8-3-1, another loss to Illinois, another loss in the bowl game, and a tie against Michigan ("one of our greatest wins ever....")
Five-year totals: 35-21-3 (.619 winning pct), with some improvement overall, but 0-5 versus Illinois, 0-4-1 versus Michigan, and 0-4 in bowl games
Cooper was left with a bare cupboard ("too many slow white guys") after taking over for Earle Bruce (who was a nice guy and a true scarlet Buckeye, but couldn't recruit outside the state of Ohio and made JT's offense look positively flashy by comparison), and he didn't really get the program back into prominence until 1993, when the team embarked on a great six-year run (62-12-1, .833 winning pct, Rose Bowl win and #2 finish after 1996 season, Sugar Bowl win and #2 finish after 1998 season).
If we had had the internet and "instant media" back in 1990 like we have today, would Cooper have made it past year three? I say probably not.
Not every program is a quick fix. Michigan does not have a built-in recruitng base like Ohio. Michigan is never going to get a class of home-grown talent like Ohio State got in 2002 with Hawk, Smith, Mangold, Sims, Carpenter, Clarett, Kudla, Downing, Datish, Pitcock, Richardson, Zwick, and Antonio Smith (all 13 were starters, 8 were All Big Ten, 4 were All American, 2 were major award winners). Michigan (like Ohio State) is a tough sell for southern kids, and Michigan does not have recruiting roots in Florida like Ohio State does (and we can thank Coach Cooper for that).
The question isn't really, Was the cupboard bare when Rich Rod got there? (It wasn't). The question isn't really, Has Rich Rod turned the program around (He hasn't). The questions are, What is the ceiling for Michigan under Rich Rod? Can he ever put together a string of 10-win seasons like Coop did? Will he ever challenge for a national championship like Coop did twice in three years? Will his schemes work in the Big Ten? Will he ever "get it" when it comes to The Game?
Three years is not enough time to fix a Michigan program that was entering a down period. But is Rich Rod the guy to get them back to respectability? Or is struggling to go 8-5 going to be the norm for him?
1988: 4-6-1, with blow-out losses to Pitt (42-10), Illinois (31-12), and Indiana (41-7, perhaps the low point of the program during my lifetime); also lost to Michigan
1989: 8-4-0, with blow-out losses to Southern Cal (42-3) and Illinois (34-14); also lost to Michigan and the bowl game
1990: 7-4-1, with another loss to Michigan and another bowl game defeat (to Air Force!)
Three-year totals: 19-14-2 overall (.571 winning pct), 13-9-2 in the Big Ten, 0-3 versus Illinois, 0-3 in The Game, 0-2 in bowl games ... but he did get our last win against an SEC school (LSU in 1988, 36-33).
Coop's next two years were little better:
1991: 8-4-0, another loss to Illinois, another loss in the bowl game, and a complete ass-kicking by Michigan (31-3, that was the Desmond Howard Heisman pose game)
1992: 8-3-1, another loss to Illinois, another loss in the bowl game, and a tie against Michigan ("one of our greatest wins ever....")
Five-year totals: 35-21-3 (.619 winning pct), with some improvement overall, but 0-5 versus Illinois, 0-4-1 versus Michigan, and 0-4 in bowl games
Cooper was left with a bare cupboard ("too many slow white guys") after taking over for Earle Bruce (who was a nice guy and a true scarlet Buckeye, but couldn't recruit outside the state of Ohio and made JT's offense look positively flashy by comparison), and he didn't really get the program back into prominence until 1993, when the team embarked on a great six-year run (62-12-1, .833 winning pct, Rose Bowl win and #2 finish after 1996 season, Sugar Bowl win and #2 finish after 1998 season).
If we had had the internet and "instant media" back in 1990 like we have today, would Cooper have made it past year three? I say probably not.
Not every program is a quick fix. Michigan does not have a built-in recruitng base like Ohio. Michigan is never going to get a class of home-grown talent like Ohio State got in 2002 with Hawk, Smith, Mangold, Sims, Carpenter, Clarett, Kudla, Downing, Datish, Pitcock, Richardson, Zwick, and Antonio Smith (all 13 were starters, 8 were All Big Ten, 4 were All American, 2 were major award winners). Michigan (like Ohio State) is a tough sell for southern kids, and Michigan does not have recruiting roots in Florida like Ohio State does (and we can thank Coach Cooper for that).
The question isn't really, Was the cupboard bare when Rich Rod got there? (It wasn't). The question isn't really, Has Rich Rod turned the program around (He hasn't). The questions are, What is the ceiling for Michigan under Rich Rod? Can he ever put together a string of 10-win seasons like Coop did? Will he ever challenge for a national championship like Coop did twice in three years? Will his schemes work in the Big Ten? Will he ever "get it" when it comes to The Game?
Three years is not enough time to fix a Michigan program that was entering a down period. But is Rich Rod the guy to get them back to respectability? Or is struggling to go 8-5 going to be the norm for him?
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Absolutely not.LordJeffBuck;1823422; said:
I think what scUM was under Lloyd Carr after JT was hired is DickRod's ceiling. He might bubble up to the occasional 10 or 11 win season (eventually), could (eventually} win a couple B10 titles, and a bunch of 9-4 type seasons in between. He'll always struggle against the rivals, he'll pee down his leg in big games, he'll make a bunch of recruiting gaffes (look at them this year, they desperately need depth at DT, but he's too busy taking RB commitments and chasing more to address it), he'll ignore the defense, he'll blame everyone and everything but himself.
People called him a "proven winner". I called BS. He was 105-62 (.629) before going to scUM. That includes his big three year run after all the competition bailed from the Big East. He is what he is...a good offensive mind, a mediocre head coach. If scUM is happy with that, well, that snake oil must be intoxicating.
Oh, still an ass.
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daddyphatsacs
Let the cards fall...
LordJeffBuck;1823422; said:
Great write-up LJB. I'd probably take the second option at this point. Rich Rod has that deer-in-the-headlights look that Coop had for THE GAME. His offense won't ever have problems putting up points, it's just the fact that his defenses are terrible.
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OCBucksFan
I won a math debate
The thing I don't understand is how some fans can still be in the "give him one more year" catagory. Sure, his record may be better, but, with the exception of Illinois, I don't think anyone should be too proud. NoD is still a work in progress, though they did finally manage to beat USC, but I think that has more to do with God hating Lane Kiffin than anything else.
Michigan still only has 1 win against a +500 team in the big 10, they have zero wins against a ranked team, and they haven't even fielded a competitive team in tough games. I keep hearing how that offense will be brilliant and this is all the defenses fault, but I don't see it. I see it as gimicky, and maybe it catches some teams off guard, but if you have a disciplined defense that does their job then I don't see many problems.
Is there a quick fix for tsun? I don't think so, nor do I really care. I look at that team and think "oh how the mighty have fallen" and then that's followed up with "couldn't have happened to a better school."
This guy is like every rivals wet dream, he comes in, fucks everything up for a few years, then when he leaves it's going to take 3-4 years for it all to get fixed. Not only that, he's making that job as undesirable as possible. They can say Lloyd Carr left the cupboards bare, but when this guy leaves all that will in this cupboards will be rotted and destroyed.
And for that, we thank you Rich Rodriguez, thank you for humbling a school that so badly needed to be humbled, and thank you for showing the world what kind of school tsun is, they will hire an outright mercenary who will step on anyone for the right amount.
Michigan still only has 1 win against a +500 team in the big 10, they have zero wins against a ranked team, and they haven't even fielded a competitive team in tough games. I keep hearing how that offense will be brilliant and this is all the defenses fault, but I don't see it. I see it as gimicky, and maybe it catches some teams off guard, but if you have a disciplined defense that does their job then I don't see many problems.
Is there a quick fix for tsun? I don't think so, nor do I really care. I look at that team and think "oh how the mighty have fallen" and then that's followed up with "couldn't have happened to a better school."
This guy is like every rivals wet dream, he comes in, fucks everything up for a few years, then when he leaves it's going to take 3-4 years for it all to get fixed. Not only that, he's making that job as undesirable as possible. They can say Lloyd Carr left the cupboards bare, but when this guy leaves all that will in this cupboards will be rotted and destroyed.
And for that, we thank you Rich Rodriguez, thank you for humbling a school that so badly needed to be humbled, and thank you for showing the world what kind of school tsun is, they will hire an outright mercenary who will step on anyone for the right amount.
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LordJeffBuck;1823422; said:
As much as I love to unmercifully bust their balls I'll try and be objective for a second; Theoretically I think a coach could run that offense and win in the B10 just like they can run it at Auburn and Oregon and win. People have run different variations of the spread in the B10 for years with varying degrees of success. I think the focus on the offensive style misses the point.
The problem is that in day to day practical application RR is a total fuck up. His shortcomings are well documented (recruiting, defense, special teams, turnovers, poor fit culturally) so I'll just leave it at saying they have a very good offensive coordinator who's not cut out to be the HC at a program like tsun.
So to answer the question (sort of), no I don't think RR is the guy but oddly enough I don't think its because of his offensive scheme I think its because he's a fuck up.
To get way off track, I have felt for a couple of years now that so many teams are becoming so enamored with the spread, and stopping it on defense, that Wisconsin is going to become the change of pace team for people.They've gone for 70+ what, 3 times this year? A lot of teams have gotten so DB heavy to fight the spread they can't handle a dedicated power running attack.
Wait and see if the big boys don't start to gravitate back to the pro set-power I type of offenses and remember that football is still a game where you can just line up and impose your will on the the other guy. The success Wisconsin has had with it this year should be a wake up call to schools that can run that kind of player out on the field.
Bringing it back around then, I think long term they are better served biting the bullet for a few more years and bringing in a guy that will get them back to traditional tsun football because you will be seeing more and more teams going in that direction with them.
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