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Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

I am a firm believer that you absolutely must give a coach the full duration of his initial contract so that he has an opportunity to show what he can do with a program. I mean, where would Colorado be if they'd run Dan Hawkins out last year? Or Notre Dame if they'd run off Charlie Weis? Michigan doesn't want to become Alabama where you ditch a guy before he coaches his first game. I mean, who'd want to coach at your school after that? Some washed up NFL failure like Nick Saban? No, no, no. That isn't the "Michigan Way". Give the man his time, let him build his program. You have to leave a cake in the oven so that it can rise, and it is much the same with a spread offense. Pull the cake out now and it'll be flat. You need to let that goose, I mean cake, finish cooking.

We'll still be here...waiting. :osu:
 
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BrutusBobcat;1581813; said:
I am a firm believer that you absolutely must give a coach the full duration of his initial contract so that he has an opportunity to show what he can do with a program. I mean, where would Colorado be if they'd run Dan Hawkins out last year? Or Notre Dame if they'd run off Charlie Weis? Michigan doesn't want to become Alabama where you ditch a guy before he coaches his first game. I mean, who'd want to coach at your school after that? Some washed up NFL failure like Nick Saban? No, no, no. That isn't the "Michigan Way". Give the man his time, let him build his program. You have to leave a cake in the oven so that it can rise, and it is much the same with a spread offense. Pull the cake out now and it'll be flat. You need to let that goose, I mean cake, finish cooking.

We'll still be here...waiting. :osu:

I agree. Give the man a chance. Harlan Sanders started Kentucky Fried Chicken at the age of 65. RichRod has lots of good football left to coach. If he builds his dynasty--they will come.

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If you're a TSUN fan, don't fall for hiring a Michigan Man because RichRod is all that and more. We are invested heavily in The Game with you and have supported Rich Rod right from the start. Woo hoo! NC here you come.

Just let him get settled. It's the right thing to do.
 
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Summary of RR's contract regarding early termination and termination for cause:


  • section 3.01(b) - contract year one ended 12/31/2008, contract year two ends 12/31/0, and contract year 3 ends 12/31/10.
  • section 4.01(a) - if UM terminates RR without cause in contract years 1, 2 or 3, UM must pay RR $4 million in addition to any other compensation earned at the termination date and unpaid.
  • section 4.02(e) - UM may terminate RR for cause if the NCAA, Big 10 Conference or UM determine RR has committed a major violation of NCAA rules or intentionally committed any other type of violation of NCAA rules.
  • section 4.02(f) - UM may terminate RR for cause if RR has personal knowledge of a violation of NCAA rules by an ass't football coach, football staff member, a member of the team, or any other representative of UM's athletic interests and promptly fails to report it to the AD as called for in section 2.04.
  • section 4.03 - termination for cause relieves UM from any further liability to RR including the termination payment, unearned salary, benefits, etc.
  • section 2.05 - sets forth the due process procedures that must be performed by UM with respect to a determination of NCAA rules violations.
 
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Scout.com: 5 Thoughts - Why Not Boise State?

Fiu's thoughts on Dickrod...

5 Thoughts - Nov. 2

...This is a tough one for me, because I am a graduate of Michigan, and I agreed in theory with the decision to bring Rich Rodriguez in to replace Lloyd Carr. Carr's teams had achieved plenty of success during his tenure, most notably the '97 national title. But the inability to beat Ohio State and the growing trouble the team had with the nation's elite programs (and don't try to give me the bowl win over a lesser Florida team as evidence to the contrary) had put Michigan in the position of becoming a sagging regional power that couldn't handle the bully on its own block. I viewed Rodriguez as a window to a broader recruiting base and a means of elevating Michigan onto the same level as the more athletic, faster teams that had been competing for national titles - not to mention beating Ohio State more than once every five years.

So, that was the plan, and I was willing to give it a chance, no matter how much it angered the Schembechler crowd. (I wasn't always a big fan of that bunch to begin with.) Nearly two years into this process, however, it appears as if the theory was sound, but the practice has been a disaster. Michigan needed to update its method of playing, if only to hang with the Buckeyes, who were culling every top prospect from the state, mixing them with imports from the region and owning the Wolverines. But the way Rodriguez has done it has proven to be disastrous and short-sighted. Case in point: during a season when the top teams in the nation are playing great defense, the Wolverines are rotten on that side of the ball. Truly horrific. Michigan is 81st nationally in total defense and eighth in the Big Ten. The Wolverines are too light along the front seven and have zero depth. Their secondary is easy pickings for any QB with a mildly accurate arm, and coordinator Greg Robinson insists on leaving these overmatched backs in single coverage frequently.
But that's just part of the problem.

The vaunted Rodriguez spread offense has sputtered now that the opposition isn't of the I-AA or Mid-American Conference variety. Granted U-M is playing a freshman QB, but the Wolverines can't throw the ball with any regularity, and their ground attack has been squelched during a four-game losing streak by teams that recognize that the Wolverines can't run successfully between the tackles. We had heard all sorts of stories about how Rodriguez's second year at Tulane, Clemson and West Virginia brought big results. Well, Michigan faces a must-win situation against Purdue Saturday, or it probably won?t play in a bowl game. (Wisconsin and Ohio State loom.) Finishing 6-6 is not exactly what people had in mind when Michigan entered the '09 season.

Now comes the tricky part: Do you cut ties with Rodriguez after two seasons, or do you risk a third campaign that doesn't meet expectations? Michigan's talent level doesn't seem to be higher than when Carr left. In fact, other than defensive end Brandon Graham, a Carr recruit, there are no obvious high draft pick candidates on the roster, unless you consider senior tackle Mark Ortmann, another Carr conscript. Rodriguez is already in trouble, since the man who hired him, AD Bill Martin, is resigning after this school year, and the next guy in may not want him around. Worse, if the NCAA finds that Rodriguez and his staff violated practice limits, Michigan could go on probation for the first time, an embarrassment worse than any loss to Ohio State. (Well, maybe not any loss.)

Another year of Rodriguez's tenure would bring in another recruiting class of light, fast players who don't seem capable of standing up to the Big Ten's rigors. Another year of spread offense at a time when defenses seem to be making headway in stopping it could keep Michigan behind the schematic curve. If this were Indiana, it would make sense to keep Rodriguez around, because building takes time. But this isn't Indiana. This is the nation's winningest program, and it has been leveled. Only a miraculous three-game winning streak that vaults the Wolverines to eight wins can save him now. Short of that, it’s time to cut bait, mend fences with former Wolverine QB Jim Harbaugh and move forward
 
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ProudBuck67;1581780; said:
The longer it takes to be rid of the A-Wad, the more problems the next guy will have putting a normal offense in. The roster will be deluged with itty-bitty guys!

GO BUCKS!

... are you calling a team full of 5'2 140lb'ers itty bitty???

I viewed Rodriguez as a window to a broader recruiting base


..... what am i missing here? :confused: was he going to open the pipeline to all those highly recruited wv kids? who were his big wins as far as recruiting is considered while he was at wv?
 
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I apologize if this has already been posted:

Patience wearing thin for Michigan - Big Ten - ESPN

Rich Rodriguez did it again Monday, referring to the state of the program he inherited when he arrived at Michigan in December 2007.

When asked at his weekly news conference if he expected the team to be further along by this point, 21 games into his tenure, Rodriguez said, "Not after I got here."

Yes RR, deflect more criticism! Besides, it's not your fault. Lloyd is pulling all the nega-wolverine strings from behind the scene...you ARE a great coach.

I think I'm going to be sick.
 
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Buckeneye;1582096; said:
I love the mocking ability - but uhh, seriously? The scUM flag - let's not cross that line again. :)

Look, we love these guys. Really. You can trust me: I'm in marketing.

martinss01;1582102; said:
... are you calling a team full of 5'2 140lb'ers itty bitty???

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Wm4DXkcj0"]YouTube - Midget Fight On Springer[/ame]

Itty bitty don't mean there ain't no fight in the dog!

Gatorubet;1582124; said:
Rich just needs a little help. May I suggest Bobby Bowden as the coach-in-waiting?

Great post. I agree.
 
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Rich Rodriguez did it again Monday, referring to the state of the program he inherited when he arrived at Michigan in December 2007.

When asked at his weekly news conference if he expected the team to be further along by this point, 21 games into his tenure, Rodriguez said, "Not after I got here."
I find it hilarious when scUM fans get on Carr's case for not 'backing' RR. As many times as RR has subtly drug Carr through the mud (no matter how true or untrue the statements are) it doesn't surprise me one bit that Carr stays silent.
 
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bkochmc;1582164; said:
I find it hilarious when scUM fans get on Carr's case for not 'backing' RR. As many times as RR has subtly drug Carr through the mud (no matter how true or untrue the statements are) it doesn't surprise me one bit that Carr stays silent.

Carr also felt that the heaping pile of mastadon shit that was flung at him in the later years of his tenure was completely unwarranted (the merits of which is a cause for another thread), so why in the hell would he jump to the defense of a guy that is doing a job way worse than he did?
 
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Bucklion;1582178; said:
Carr also felt that the heaping pile of mastadon [censored] that was flung at him in the later years of his tenure was completely unwarranted (the merits of which is a cause for another thread), so why in the hell would he jump to the defense of a guy that is doing a job way worse than he did?

He doesn't have to. He's done more for that program than any of those talk show hosts flinging crap on him ever have. Michigan fans are just pulling at strings here, in denial that bringing in RR to this point has been a massive mistake.
 
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Merih;1582183; said:
He doesn't have to. He's done more for that program than any of those talk show hosts flinging crap on him ever have. Michigan fans are just pulling at strings here, in denial that bringing in RR to this point has been a massive mistake.

Oh I know, but they're heaping shit on him now for not defending the assclown that took his place (who those same people thought would do a much better job than he did). When DickRod came, he didn't bring Pat White and Steve Slaton. Oops.
 
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