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Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

Every WVU-fan down in WVU-ville liked WVU-football a lot,
but The Coach who moved way north of WVU-ville apparently did NOT!

Now, he loved WVU-football for the whole football season,
until just after the Pitt game... could that be the reason?
It could be his head was too big for the place,
It could be the money that was thrown in his face!
Whatever the reason, it won't change his fate...
To lose every November to Ohio State!

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(original poetry... artwork from a WVU fan)
 
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HailToMichigan;1032060; said:
..., well.....seems to me you're more intent on actively looking for ways to trash the man, and look at everything in the worst light possible. That's not even the scarlet goggles viewpoint, that's just low.

Some of the comments posted here have been pretty low. I think that you may forget that a lot of us have family living down in Appalachia who also have big hair and "less-than-polished" city ways. Hell, half of my family in Gore, Logan, New Straitsville and the region look just like that woman...and they are laughing harder at these pictures than we are.

On a serious note, I think that I will speak for more than myself when I say I am just sick to death of the manufactured identities and divine qualities bestowed on people like your new coach or Weis by the press.

HTM, look at this man with open eyes. Do you really see a clean break of this contract? Do you really believe he discharged his obligations honorably? Do you really believe that in the span of a few days he can decide that Michigan is the place for him for life and the place where little Rhett will play football? Well, frankly, I don't...

I don't hold it against anyone who seeks to better themselves. Most of us take better jobs until we reach the place where we can make the contribution to society that we want to make. And there is little doubt that TSUN is a more prestigious place to coach. I can understand why he told his team that "this time" "he had to listen".

But, wait, isn't this the same guy who was shouting from the rooftops a few weeks ago that the Big East was as good or better conference than the Big Ten? What kind of guy goes to Toledo for financial advice? What kind of guy trashes his former employer like he did, over such minor points. How much will he be distracted by the legal matters that will arise because of the way he left?

With all due respect to you as a welcome poster here, your beloved school has got itself a real winner. The Beverley Hillbillies have come to town and by the time they leave in a few years, it's likely that he will leave the same trainful of fertilizer behind that he has this time.

I think one thing that people in the press really dislike about Ohio State is that Jim Tressel is the real deal. Perhaps my first impression is very unfair and time will prove it wrong, but I think your new coach will likely make Tressel's qualities even more readily apparent in coming years.
 
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GrizzlyBuck;1031993; said:
Thanks for reinforcing my earlier belief that I heard an ain't from RR, interesting since it eminated from the "Harvard of the west" :biggrin:

After further review, the transcript supports it:

I don't know y'all's names, but I'm big on them knowing my name and knowing their families' names, and those of us that follow West Virginia, we are a big family atmosphere.

...

I thought that was great -- I told my guys I ain't never leavin' here.
One of each, as I thought.

While we're being pedantic: you misspelled "emanated". :biggrin:
 
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HailToMichigan;1032060; said:
Are you fuckin' serious? Classless wife? Who the hell are you to throw around accusations like that? Based on one over-posted picture of her wearing too much makeup, you've concluded that she's on the level of someone who assaulted a reporter?

I know where I am, so I haven't bothered jumping to RR's defense on every little this-and-that dig I've seen, but you haven't met the lady, you just see one picture and you conclude "classless." Not to mention you hear the guy say "ain't" and conclude he's an uncouth hillbilly. Real classy.

I pretty much ignored the rest of what you said because it's obvious to me - if you can draw the conclusion that Rita Rodriguez is a classless bitch on the level of a woman who damn near assaulted someone, based on one picture, well.....seems to me you're more intent on actively looking for ways to trash the man, and look at everything in the worst light possible. That's not even the scarlet goggles viewpoint, that's just low.

Would you be happier if he got 1,000 free grafts for every victory over Ohio State?
 
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Put this opposite the signings of RR, Saban, etc., etc. End of an era. We may never see the likes of those two again. Ethical to the enth degree, cared deeply about and respected each other as long as it didn't involve football and both insisted on keeping their salaries at a level that reflected their status as tenured professors at great schools. My respect continues to grow.
 
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The WVU split is getting pretty damn ugly. I don't know how much of it is RRs fault, and how much is WVU brass.... but, I don't much care. I will say this though, RR is claiming he was induced in to signing his last contract at WVU deceptively, and that screams acres of bullshit... especially considering how he used the Bama job to get the raise anyway.
 
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Steve19;1032145; said:
HTM, look at this man with open eyes. Do you really see a clean break of this contract? Do you really believe he discharged his obligations honorably? Do you really believe that in the span of a few days he can decide that Michigan is the place for him for life and the place where little Rhett will play football? Well, frankly, I don't....
I don't pretend that RR couldn't have handled things better. Maybe he could have handed his resignation letter to Ed Pastilong himself. Maybe he could have waited a little while to call Terrelle Pryor. Maybe he could have met Coleman and Martin in Ann Arbor instead of Toledo (however, hopping a flight to Ann Arbor sends up flashing neon signs and sirens of suspicion.) Maybe he could have been more up front with his bosses. Maybe he should take the high road and pay the buyout. I hold absolutely no illusions that when he says, "I want to retire here," he'll feel the same way in 10 or 15 years. That's how coaching is these days.

I don't care he was saying a few weeks ago. A coach has absolutely no choice but to always put the happiest face on the situation he's in right at the moment. Especially during the season. Doing anything else is burning the bridge before you cross it. You think the folks in WV want to hang him from the rafters now.....take a guess at what might happen if he was publicly hinting he might leave, and oh by the way Morgantown isn't really all it's cracked up to be, and boy I'd love to coach at some Big Ten school. Coaches also have no choice but to refuse to answer questions about speculative jobs, exactly the way RR did last Saturday. It's not being disingenuous, because that's the nature of the job. Disingenuous is Nick Saban convening a press conference specifically to say, "I will not be the coach at Alabama," and then going to be the coach at Alabama. Disingenuous is Dennis Franchione convincing his kids not to take the one-shot opportunity to transfer without penalty, and then transferring himself.

And I think Michigan did what it had to. There were three choices: Hire within the program as Carr was, look for a diamond in the rough no-namer like Tressel, or hire somebody else's big name. Option #1 sucks. Nobody within the program could possibly have fixed what is wrong with it. Option #2 wasn't really available. OSU had the luxury of being able to take their sweet time because they fired Cooper after the bowl, and they conducted their search during a dead time for recruiting. And finding Tressel did not require that much digging, him having already been with the program, and coaching in-state. Well, there's nobody like that for Michigan. That leaves Option #3: Hire someone else's coach. How should Martin have done that? Let every recruit twist in the wind while they wait politely for the bowl season to end? Play the permission game? That worked out great with LSU. Hire somebody who's not going to a bowl?

As for Rich Rodriguez. No doubt he was already thinking about leaving, otherwise it's likely his mind wouldn't have been made up so fast. And it's been theorized that Don Nehlen had a lot to do with it. Nehlen had a lot of complimentary words for Michigan, which he probably told RR before he made the decision. And let's look at what it's known that he did. He met twice with his bosses the day after meeting with Martin. He laid out a list of things he wanted done. He told the team to their faces that he was leaving. He never once denied interest in the Michigan job once it became known he was a candidate. He never declared his intention not to take the job. He did not make a circus out of it. Are these not the signs of a coach making at least some kind of a good-faith effort to leave the right way? I'd assume that Friday through Sunday were extremely busy days for Rodriguez, not to mention ones where he had a lot of decision-making to do, and I don't think it's fair to bash him for everything he didn't do.

I find it funny that two of the football criticisms leveled at Rodriguez are that he can't recruit (and recruits criminals) and can't coach big games. Leave aside for a minute the fact that he's recruiting to Morgantown, West Virginia, has crappy facilities, and has no in-state talent base to draw from and has to compete primarily with Ohio State and Penn State for recruits. If he can't recruit, then the fact that he's even in big games at all is testament to an extreme coaching talent. And the notion that he can't beat good teams is kind of explained by the lack of talent on the field, isn't it?

Rodriguez is too talented a coach to be leaving with his tail between his legs in three years. I see a lot of boastful posts - he couldn't recruit to WVU and won't recruit to UM either; he'll be out in three years; he's classless and dragging down the program; he recruits criminals; he chokes in big games, etc., etc., etc. I can only shake my head at that stuff, because the man has never shown up on the list of coaches with major problems. West Virginia has not had the problems that Miami, FSU, etc. seem to have. Think of lying weasel coaches that you've heard of - Saban, Petrino, Franchione. Think of the undisciplined ones running shoddy programs - Fulmer, Zook, Coker. Has RR ever shown up on these lists? Now all of a sudden he's hired at Michigan, and what a scumbag. Pardon me if I don't buy it. Rich Rodriguez is no Bo, but nobody is. My only disappointment with the whole thing is that I have to wait a year or three to see all the naysayers proven wrong. Give him the resources and in-state talent at Michigan, and I think we'll find he can recruit. Give him a program with a touch of the old school left and I think we'll find he can recruit without having to resort to the more questionable characters. And give him time, and I think we'll find he can win the big ones. He's done nothing but drive upwards his whole career.

Didn't mean for this to be so long, but I figured I might as well get it all out there.
 
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HailToMichigan;1032266; said:
Rodriguez is too talented a coach to be leaving with his tail between his legs in three years. I see a lot of boastful posts - he couldn't recruit to WVU and won't recruit to UM either; he'll be out in three years; he's classless and dragging down the program; he recruits criminals; he chokes in big games, etc., etc., etc. I can only shake my head at that stuff ...
At least one Buckeye fan is with you on this.

I am happy as a clam to have Jim Tressel on our sideline, and wouldn't trade him for Rodriguez (or anyone else for that matter) under any circumstances, but I think you got a very good coach with no major character issues. You could certainly have done a lot worse; Ntre Ame sure did.
 
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