Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

[SNIPER26]

Good to see you've changed your approach since your last "vacation".


He's a system superstar. Do you see anybody else running that kind of offense. Why are most NFL scouts projecting him as a WR? His passing is average at best and his skill set wouldn't fit at most BCS schools, so yeah, really.

1. Put it this way. If Mark Dantonio hadn't coached at Ohio State, you wouldn't be arguing as much for Michigan State. Michigan State is Michigan State to me. To you guys, MSU is some kind of awesome team because your former DC coaches them.

2. Do I see anyone else running a spread offense? Ummmmmmmmmmm......en serio?

 

[SNIPER26]

Georgia? Nope.
Ohio State? Nope. Might be a package qb, like they wanted to use TGinn in the desert. Likely a WR/ATH most of the time.
USC? Nope.
Oklahoma? Nope.
Florida? Nope.
Missouri? Not starting.
LSU? Was 'nope' until their QB was booted. Would not have played much until his 4th year.
WVU? Him.
Clemson? Perhaps, could counter their atrocious OL.
Auburn? Probably.
Texas? Not starting.
Texas Tech? Nope.

He is a better player right now than Stafford, Boeckman, Bradford, Harper, whoever the fuck Auburn's QB is, McCoy, and Harrell. Is he as good a thrower? No. But if he was there as the starting QB, his coaches would mold the offense around his strengths. Why wouldn't he have played over Flynn and Perrilloux? Because he didn't have as many stars next to his name in high school?

 

[jwinslow]

1. Put it this way. If Mark Dantonio hadn't coached at Ohio State, you wouldn't be arguing as much for Michigan State. Michigan State is Michigan State to me.

And as I pointed out with Pittsburgh's 'significant improvement', you wouldn't be arguing against Dantonio as much if he wasn't your rival's coach. Both sides are shrouded in personal bias here, let's stop pretending otherwise.

To you guys, MSU is some kind of awesome team because your former DC coaches them.

Again you render discussion impossible with your intentional hyperbole.

 

[SNIPER26]

Again you render discussion impossible with your intentional hyperbole.

Because I said you guys have an inflated opinion of MSU?

 

[jwinslow]

He is a better player right now than Stafford, Boeckman, Bradford, Harper, whoever the fuck Auburn's QB is, McCoy, and Harrell. Is he as good a thrower? No. But if he was there as the starting QB, his coaches would mold the offense around his strengths.

They might, but not as a starting QB. He might flourish in carrying on Vince's read option system, but what happens when he gets hurt and McCoy puts up those obscene frosh numbers? Hard to say he'd be starting for sure.

Pat White would be a star at WR at Texas Tech, and certainly would not mold the offense around his strengths as a QB, at least not on most snaps.

Why wouldn't he have played over Flynn and Perrilloux?

Pat would get broken playing that schedule.

Because he didn't have as many stars next to his name in high school?

A good post closed with more useless hyperbole. Perrlloux was the SEC CCG mvp in his first meaningful start (IIRC). Flynn was a good game manager and made clutch plays, a slight variation from Krenzel and a great complement for their stifling D.

 

[NFBuck]

1. Put it this way. If Mark Dantonio hadn't coached at Ohio State, you wouldn't be arguing as much for Michigan State. Michigan State is Michigan State to me. To you guys, MSU is some kind of awesome team because your former DC coaches them.

Well, I'm not one of those people, so nice job of lumping me into the masses. Michigan State is Michigan State, so I don't see anybody making them a powerhouse. But do I think Coach D can at least make them competitive? Absolutely. He's recruiting quite well and his teams last year where much more ready to play than any of Johnelle or Bobby Williams' teams.

2. Do I see anyone else running a spread offense? Ummmmmmmmmmm......en serio?

Nice deflection. You know what I mean. What major BCS school runs the same type of spread option attack that Pat White runs at WVU? Tell me, please. His lack of passing ability would preclude him from starting at most schools early on like he did at WVU where he has developed into a superstar because he has played in an offense perfect for him. His skill set is ideal for what they run...run first, pass distant second. Not so much for the versions of the spread the Clemsons, Floridas et al run.

 

[jwinslow]

Because I said you guys have an inflated opinion of MSU?

Point out where someone declared them a pretty good team, let alone awesome, a type of line you continue to toss out, and even led to a paragraph long diatribe. It's remarkably frustrating to try and have a discussion if it breaks down to shouting matches railing against things that were never said.

You want them to be 'same ole sparty' and fit their performance to that filter, focusing in on the negative to re-inforce your beliefs.
We want them to improve for the b10 and their HC and look for signs of such, focusing in on the flashes and morsels of improvement to re-inforce ours.
The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

 

[NFBuck]

He is a better player right now than Stafford, Boeckman, Bradford, Harper, whoever the fuck Auburn's QB is, McCoy, and Harrell. Is he as good a thrower? No. But if he was there as the starting QB, his coaches would mold the offense around his strengths. Why wouldn't he have played over Flynn and Perrilloux? Because he didn't have as many stars next to his name in high school?

He's better than Bradford? Really? As for the building the offense around his strengths, that is generic oversimplification. WVU runs a very precise spread option attack that was developed by your current coach. The version of the spread most teams run is an altered variation of the prostyle offense and much easier to install than an offense that requires certain types of athletes and blocking schemes to be successful. He was made at wvu into what he is, and yes, DR deserves credit for finding him, but he's not the type of QB whose skills would have necessarily been noticed or developed at other BCS schools.

 

[jwinslow]

He is a better player right now than Stafford, Boeckman, Bradford, Harper, whoever the fuck Auburn's QB is, McCoy, and Harrell. Is he as good a thrower? No. But if he was there as the starting QB, his coaches would mold the offense around his strengths. Why wouldn't he have played over Flynn and Perrilloux? Because he didn't have as many stars next to his name in high school?

By the way, which of my 12 predictions were off-base? Where would he have started where I said otherwise? I know you told me which players you thought were inferior to White, but would that mean he would be starting?

Texas is the only one I see as changeable... which ones do you see definitively the other way?

He was made at wvu into what he is, and yes, DR deserves credit for finding him, but he's not the type of QB whose skills would have necessarily been noticed or developed at other BCS schools.

This cannot be overstated. I think DR deserves a ton of credit for not only finding Pat but for developing him into an occasional passer (while still limited), as well as building the offense around him and other (so we thought) "average" incoming talent (ie before Devine).

But I don't see him starting at a lot of those other schools, because of the overhaul it would require on their systems. That doesn't mean WVU isn't very smart/intuitive for using him that way, it's just different strokes for different folks.

 

[billmac91]

Really? He wouldn't start at other title contenders? You must be kidding.

You're smarter than this Sniper. Completely a system QB. Pat won't even play QB in the NFL.

Pat would be terrible in a majority of the systems used around the country. He's a beast in the spread option type offense Rodriguez installed at WVU. Not taking anything away from Pat, but no he wouldn't start or have gotten a chance at a majority of the BCS Title contenders out there.

Comparing Pat to other QB's is like comparing Apples and Oranges. For argument's sake, I'd say Pat is a better college QB than Todd Boeckman, but I would never trade Todd for Pat. Not because I am a homer, but because it instantly allows defenses to play the run and not respect the pass. If we ran WVU's offense, it'd be a no-brainer.

 

[SNIPER26]

Point out where someone declared them a pretty good team, let alone awesome, a type of line you continue to toss out, and even led to a paragraph long diatribe. It's remarkably frustrating to try and have a discussion if it breaks down to shouting matches railing against things that were never said.

You want them to be 'same ole sparty' and fit their performance to that filter, focusing in on the negative to re-inforce your beliefs.
We want them to improve for the b10 and their HC and look for signs of such, focusing in on the flashes and morsels of improvement to re-inforce ours.
The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

Seriously? I suggest reading Dantonio's thread, nearly every prediction about "Michigan State is this year's Illinois", etc...Might I also recommend the "TSUN Recruiting/News" thread? The one which states a few times "Man, MSU is killing Michigan in in-state recruiting"? Yes, apparently picking up kids that Michigan never offered (save Edwin Baker and Chris Norman) is destroying the state. By that logic, Illinois is apefucking Ohio State in Ohio.

He's better than Bradford? Really?

Si. White carries WVU. He's arguably the most VALUABLE player in the country. White is a better collegiate player than Bradford.

 

[generaladm]

He is a better player right now than Stafford, Boeckman, Bradford, Harper, whoever the fuck Auburn's QB is, McCoy, and Harrell. Is he as good a thrower? No. But if he was there as the starting QB, his coaches would mold the offense around his strengths. Why wouldn't he have played over Flynn and Perrilloux? Because he didn't have as many stars next to his name in high school?

Player? Maybe. QB? No way. Reggie Bush was a better player than Leinart, but Carroll didn't put him at QB because he wanted to pass the ball. White wouldn't be a QB at Wisconsin. There aren't too many legit contenders that rely on such a run heavy spread/option as WVU. Illinois has a similar offense, but they still pass more than White is capable of. Juice is a better passer than White.

As far as OSU fans rooting for D'antonio, I don't think anyone thinks he'll work miracles, but he will improve the team overall. The concensus that MSU will beat UM this year has much more to do with UM's personel than Mark D's coaching.

 

[Flocka]

Si. White carries WVU. He's arguably the most VALUABLE player in the country.

 

[billmac91]

Seriously? I suggest reading Dantonio's thread, nearly every prediction about "Michigan State is this year's Illinois", etc...Might I also recommend the "TSUN Recruiting/News" thread? The one which states a few times "Man, MSU is killing Michigan in in-state recruiting"? Yes, apparently picking up kids that Michigan never offered (save Edwin Baker and Chris Norman) is destroying the state. By that logic, Illinois is ape[censored]ing Ohio State in Ohio.



Si. White carries WVU. He's arguably the most VALUABLE player in the country. White is a better collegiate player than Bradford.

Read my above post.

Pat White would not start at UGA or Oklahoma. Your original comment suggessted Pat would start at most BCS Title contenders schools. That is not true.

I'd say Pat is a better college QB than Bradford or Stafford. But we all know he wouldn't start at either school. It'd be comical watching Pat try and run a pro-style offense.

It will be interesting to see if he makes a good WR at the next level though.

 

[jwinslow]

Please tell me you're not attributing brutus2002 posts to us as a whole, but it seems that's exactly what you're doing. Perhaps I should start pretending kongdong and boiswatching represents your fanbase as a whole too

p.s. UM wants Chris Norman very badly.

As far as OSU fans rooting for D'antonio, I don't think anyone thinks he'll work miracles, but he will improve the team overall. The concensus that MSU will beat UM this year has much more to do with UM's personel than Mark D's coaching.

Bingo. And it's a much safer prediction then pretending like Sparty has no shot this season in AA.