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Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

got this from a WVU fan on the michigan boards:

DickRod last year:
DickRod said:
MORGANTOWN--He never mentioned any names, but West Virginia head coach Rich Rodriguez made it clear on Wednesday that he was not pleased with the recruiting antics of a former WVU assistant coach.

In a thinly veiled diatribe directed at former WVU assistant head coach Rick Trickett, who recently left Morgantown to take the same position at Florida State and seemingly took a few Mountaineer recruits with him, Rodriguez vented about the ethical incongruity of a coach talking a player out of a commitment at one school to join him at his newest place of employment.

"Every coach has his own philosophies. I'm going to tell you what my philosophy is," Rodriguez said. "You always hope that a young man is committed to your school when he says he is committed to your school. When a coach decides to leave, and that player is committed to one school, that coach shouldn't recruit that guy. If you're recruiting a guy who is not committed to West Virginia, that players is still out there, and you go ahead and recruit him. Otherwise you don't," Rod said.

"I recently hired Coach (Rod) Smith and Coach (Greg) Fry, but not once did I ask them about any players they were recruiting at South Florida," Rodriguez continued. "Maybe it's just me, but I don't feel like that would be the right thing to do."

"I could go on about it in not so G-rated terms. The hard part about it is when a young man is committed to you and you're committed to him, that's a spot on the roster that's taken. So maybe there are some guys who are out there that you quit recruiting because you're locked into him. Then three or four days before signing day, he switches on you, and you're like, 'Golly, I wish I would have known that three or four months ago so I could have signed someone else," said the WVU head coach.

"That's the type of behavior that creates had feelings in our profession. But I'm a big boy and I can handle it. We're going to win with you or without you, and everything works out in the end."
DickRod this year (also in grad's post):
DickRod said:
“Yeah, I heard that. I know Joe, I’ve known him for several years. He’s a great guy, a great coach, and has done tremendous things at Purdue. But I’m a little surprised, just from the standpoint that in our profession, you recruit all the way until the end. It happens to everybody every year. It happens to us, it’s happened to me every year. You know, guys make commitments and if a guy that’s recruiting him leaves or if he has a change of heart and they make a decision to go. I think if we had an early signing date in December, around the third week of December, it would eliminate some of these hard feelings but certainly as a coach, we had to work with several guys until the eve of signing day, even the guys that were committed to us because other schools were recruiting them, and that’s just part of it. I didn’t take it personal, we just had to keep working it and hope the guy signed with us. I know there were hard feelings, but maybe the young man didn’t communicate with him. Usually if you’re recruiting a young man, if he’s committed to you but yet he’s still visiting someone else, that’s usually a pretty good red flag that, ‘Hey, you better stay on him.’ If a guy is verbally committed to you yet he still visits other places and talks to other coaches, then that doesn’t mean he’s truly committed, that means he’s very interested. There’s a difference. If a guy is really committed to you, he doesn’t visit anywhere else or he doesn’t talk to any other coaches then that he tells you he’s pretty solid. When the young man visits our campus or something like that, that’s usually a pretty good sign to that recruiting coach or those coaches that, ‘Hey, there’s an issue here, we’ve got to try and keep a hold of him.’”
 
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Steve19;1092116; said:
HTM, when you start defending the recruiting of a felon convicted of participating in an armed robbery and who was forced to leave a high school because of his violent behavior, then begin to perform a character assassination on a player who may have done nothing more than perhaps show his frustration with playing time or something else--it's time to take a deep breath and consider the real motivations for what you are writing.

My opinion? That's bullcrap and if you think about it, I think you are the kind of person that will agree you're only writing it to defend this new coach.
Pat Lazear isn't a felon, he pled guilty to a misdemeanor. Semantics, but if you're going to accuse me of character assassination, it's an important distinction.

Yes, I'm saying everything I'm saying in order to defend RR. Definitely. But I don't think I'm performing character assassination to suggest that Mallett had some issues on dealing with people.

Mallet shows he has plenty to learn - Michigan Wolverines Sports: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio & Video - MLive.com

That's from November. As far back as the Illinois game (and maybe earlier) there were TV shots of Carr screaming at Mallett.

I think those comments from RR regarding comments in Part 2 are as dead on as dead on can be. It sounds like pretty basic stuff to me. If a guy is still taking visits, he's not truly committed. Oh yeah, Tiller. When Roundtree decommitted, Tiller offered a Ball State commit who'd been a verbal since November. Maybe Tiller's just mad he's not as quick on the draw as RR is.
 
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shetuck;1092175; said:
my opinion? RR's done gone 'n put a spell on HTM to talk dat vodoo jive... :biggrin:

rodhawkinsol0.jpg

What are the side effects of snake oil?
 
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Steve19;1092116; said:
HTM, when you start defending the recruiting of a felon convicted of participating in an armed robbery and who was forced to leave a high school because of his violent behavior, then begin to perform a character assassination on a player who may have done nothing more than perhaps show his frustration with playing time or something else--it's time to take a deep breath and consider the real motivations for what you are writing.

My opinion? That's bullcrap and if you think about it, I think you are the kind of person that will agree you're only writing it to defend this new coach.


Comparing Mallett to Lazear is unfair. The allegations against Mallett not withstanding, it is very difficult to compare an alleged unhappy teamate to a confessed criminal. Certainly not apple's to apple's is it? Now if I said I believed there were no problems with Mallett in AA I would be a liar. But I also think that it bears reminding that on more than one occasion our friends who are fans of TSUN have been quick to point out in the case of RR that we, tOSU fans, have only paid attention to one side of the story. Yet, HTM you are only seeing one side, the Maize and Blue side, of the Mallett story. You ask us to think without the Scarlet and Gray glasses and realize that there are two sides to the RR saga, yet you are being unwilling to concede that there is blame to go around in AA and with RR when it comes to the Mallett situation.

Hell, look at Ryan Mallett. By many accounts he was a selfish malcontent

By whose accounts?

Is it better to have a Ryan Mallett on your team, who acts like a little twit

Now in past posts in regards to Mallett TSUN fans have come to RR's defense saying that RR contacted Mallett and wanted to meet with him to discuss the offense with him in it. Yet these claims only come from RR's side, don't we need to hear Mallett's side and come to the conclusion that the truth lies somewhere in the middle? If you go back through posts on TSUN forums you are sure to find threads that bash Mallett for leaving and being selfish, and more that call him a winer and crybaby for attempting to sidestep the NCAA rules which don't allow him to play next season. Sounds like similar character flaws of a certain coach who left his University for greener pastures doesn't it?

I believe that there are two very different sides to the RR saga with WVU, but I also believe the same with Mallett and his transfer. We know the story with Lazear, the courts have confirmed it, so a comparison of the two simply doesn't hold up to basic common sense. Mallett was unhappy and selfish, I saw the sideline conflicts with teamates, but could RR have done more to keep him in AA? I believe so.

HTM I by no way would ever group you with the flamers who have bashed Mallett and his decision, I know you come to conclusions based upon the best information available. I don't think we have all the information about Mallett that we need to come to a conclusion thats all. So any comparisons to a person such as Lazear simply don't hold any water.
 
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This is where I'd be concerned if I was a Michigan fan. RR was a little shady in his departure from WV. Any chance he might start a criminal drug ring and use proceeds from that to fund terrorism?
 
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methomps;1092309; said:
This is where I'd be concerned if I was a Michigan fan. RR was a little shady in his departure from WV. Any chance he might start a criminal drug ring and use proceeds from that to fund terrorism?

Does he know Roger Clemons wife?

If so, has he injected her ass?
 
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HailToMichigan;1092282; said:
Pat Lazear isn't a felon, he pled guilty to a misdemeanor. Semantics, but if you're going to accuse me of character assassination, it's an important distinction.

Yes, I'm saying everything I'm saying in order to defend RR. Definitely. But I don't think I'm performing character assassination to suggest that Mallett had some issues on dealing with people.

Mallet shows he has plenty to learn - Michigan Wolverines Sports: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio & Video - MLive.com

That's from November. As far back as the Illinois game (and maybe earlier) there were TV shots of Carr screaming at Mallett.

I think those comments from RR regarding comments in Part 2 are as dead on as dead on can be. It sounds like pretty basic stuff to me. If a guy is still taking visits, he's not truly committed. Oh yeah, Tiller. When Roundtree decommitted, Tiller offered a Ball State commit who'd been a verbal since November. Maybe Tiller's just mad he's not as quick on the draw as RR is.

Uh, see post #1606. Apparently, RR doesn't agree with RR, either.
 
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