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Reggie Bush as a Texan.

Will Reggie be a Texan on opening day?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 15 68.2%
  • No

    Votes: 7 31.8%

  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .
The NFL rules will change in time. Back when that rule(Early 70's) was made, RB's almost always wore numbers in the 40's. WR's wore the 80's, and QB's wore numbers in the 10's. That was the tradition or "thing" then. Even in HS and College.

Now in this day and age players like to wear low numbers, because that is the "thing" now. You "rarely" see in this day, a RB wearing 40's. Most of them try to get as low a number as possible.

I'm no expert, nor was I around in the 70's. I'm not trying to say that. But its pretty obvious. Star backs in the 70's almost always wore a 40, the high RB numbers. Archie Griffin comes to mind.

Thats just my view. I think ineligible(Offensive Linemen) players should be able to chose and wear any number 50-79. And eligible players should be able to chose and wear any number 1-49 and 80-89. Have the 90's for D-lineman if they want to wear them.

I agree. The rule will change. Maybe not this year, but it will in the next few years.

I like the college/high school numbering system. I don't know about RB's wearing number in the 80's, but I think an RB should be able to wear any number 1-49, and Receivers/Tight Ends should be allowed to wear any number 1-19, and then 80-89. I think the QB rule should stay as it is, 1-19.

A larger range of numbers gives each player more individuality, and I think it would go great with the fans.
 
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I agree. The rule will change. Maybe not this year, but it will in the next few years.

I like the college/high school numbering system. I don't know about RB's wearing number in the 80's, but I think an RB should be able to wear any number 1-49, and Receivers/Tight Ends should be allowed to wear any number 1-19, and then 80-89. I think the QB rule should stay as it is, 1-19.

A larger range of numbers gives each player more individuality, and I think it would go great with the fans.

What exactly is your state's HS number system?

In Ohio there is no real system, except all offensive lineman must wear a number between 50-79.

Last year we had a TE/DE wear 17(Julian Miller, OSU recruit). Another TE/DE wear 40. A WR wear 29 and another TE wearing 21. We only had one WR wear a number in the 80's. The rest were TE's.

Not really strange numbers, but all would be ineligible under the NFL system.

When we faced Whetstone HS this year, their QB wore 29. Try to figure that one out!
 
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What exactly is your state's HS number system?

In Ohio there is no real system, except all offensive lineman must wear a number between 50-79.

Last year we had a TE/DE wear 17(Julian Miller, OSU recruit). Another TE/DE wear 40. A WR wear 29 and another TE wearing 21. We only had one WR wear a number in the 80's. The rest were TE's.

Not really strange numbers, but all would be ineligible under the NFL system.

When we faced Whetstone HS this year, their QB wore 29. Try to figure that one out!

Same, there isn't any real system for us. Linemen wear 50-79, and everyone else can wear whatever they want. I play LB and WR but wear #31.
 
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Just my view on Bush, but hes beginning to come off as pushy and whiney. His attitude on a contract agreement has changed alot since he first spoke after the draft. He made comments about wanting to come into spring practice with an agreement in hand, that it was very important to him. Now hes made comments on air about "we will see what deal comes across." and "things happen." Its very hard to understand how a guy is complaining about a few million dollars, when the New Orleans residents around him are struggling to get 10-20 thousand dollars, just to make their home livable again. Yet those struggling went out and purchased record ticket sales to see the kid play. That right there should be inspiration enough to forget the extra Bently or BMW, forget the extra 10,000 square feet of home and respect what you are getting now (without playing a down of pro ball).
 
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The NFL rules will change in time. Back when that rule(Early 70's) was made, RB's almost always wore numbers in the 40's.

Uh, wrong. There were as many, if not more, RBs who wore numbers in the 30s. Jim Brown wore 32 ('57-'65). Walter Payton wore 34 ('75-'87). Franco Harris wore 32 ('72-'84). O.J. Simpson wore 32 ('69-'79). Earl Campbell wore 34 ('78-'85). Larry Csonka wore 39 ('68-'79).
 
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Just my view on Bush, but hes beginning to come off as pushy and whiney. His attitude on a contract agreement has changed alot since he first spoke after the draft. He made comments about wanting to come into spring practice with an agreement in hand, that it was very important to him. Now hes made comments on air about "we will see what deal comes across." and "things happen." Its very hard to understand how a guy is complaining about a few million dollars, when the New Orleans residents around him are struggling to get 10-20 thousand dollars, just to make their home livable again. Yet those struggling went out and purchased record ticket sales to see the kid play. That right there should be inspiration enough to forget the extra Bently or BMW, forget the extra 10,000 square feet of home and respect what you are getting now (without playing a down of pro ball).
First of all, where is he complaining or whining? Greedy maybe, but not a whiner. You also conveniently left out that he is still giving 25% of his jersey sales compensation to Katrina, even tho the NFL is not letting him wear #5 (the original reason for that 25% donation).
 
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Just my view on Bush, but hes beginning to come off as pushy and whiney. His attitude on a contract agreement has changed alot since he first spoke after the draft. He made comments about wanting to come into spring practice with an agreement in hand, that it was very important to him. Now hes made comments on air about "we will see what deal comes across." and "things happen." Its very hard to understand how a guy is complaining about a few million dollars, when the New Orleans residents around him are struggling to get 10-20 thousand dollars, just to make their home livable again. Yet those struggling went out and purchased record ticket sales to see the kid play. That right there should be inspiration enough to forget the extra Bently or BMW, forget the extra 10,000 square feet of home and respect what you are getting now (without playing a down of pro ball).
That's one perspective. Here's another: Bush is a dream-come-true for the Saints franchise. Not even considering the playoff futility that has haunted Saints fans (the headgear of choice for a Saints game was a brown bag), the Saints had really turned off the local community. Why? Because while Katrina victims were still trying to salvage things from their homes, Saints owner Tom Benson was trying to move the franchise out of New Orleans. The fans know that the only reason Benson isn't searching for a home in Los Angeles is because the NFL won't let him leave NO.

And yet, there is a buzz in New Orleans about the Saints. There has been a huge spike in season ticket sales. They're going to set a record. Why? Because of Reggie Bush. The Saints are looking at a windfall profit from this. Tickets, merchandise, everything. So instead of being cheap, they need to acknowledge that Bush is turning things around for them.

An NFL franchise can't suffer a career-ending injury. An NFL franchise doesn't have only a small window of years to earn money. Pay the man.

Terrell Owens got mad because he didn't feel his contract paid him what he was worth, so he demanded a new contract. People criticized him for not playing by the contract he negotiated and signed. Well, Reggie Bush is trying to get a contract that he will be happy with, so that he can go out and play. And yet, now people are criticizing him for not accepting a smaller contract to get into camp. Funny.

People always seem to come down hard on players when there are contract holdouts. Maybe it's because the player has a face and the organization doesn't.
 
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Just my view on Bush, but hes beginning to come off as pushy and whiney. His attitude on a contract agreement has changed alot since he first spoke after the draft. He made comments about wanting to come into spring practice with an agreement in hand, that it was very important to him. Now hes made comments on air about "we will see what deal comes across." and "things happen." Its very hard to understand how a guy is complaining about a few million dollars, when the New Orleans residents around him are struggling to get 10-20 thousand dollars, just to make their home livable again. Yet those struggling went out and purchased record ticket sales to see the kid play. That right there should be inspiration enough to forget the extra Bently or BMW, forget the extra 10,000 square feet of home and respect what you are getting now (without playing a down of pro ball).

I see what you're saying, dude. And if this is the attitude that he is using and decides to display, then New Orleans could end up being a terrible fit because the people of New Orleans know a lot about not having "a lot" of money, or just the basic necessities, in general.

However, I think that Bush is still a great guy, and a once a decade player, and I firmly believe that he will be a great player and role model that will be looked up to by not only the fans of New Orleans, but the city of New Orleans, for years to come.
 
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Uh, wrong. There were as many, if not more, RBs who wore numbers in the 30s. Jim Brown wore 32 ('57-'65). Walter Payton wore 34 ('75-'87). Franco Harris wore 32 ('72-'84). O.J. Simpson wore 32 ('69-'79). Earl Campbell wore 34 ('78-'85). Larry Csonka wore 39 ('68-'79).

Ok there were exceptions. I shouldn't have said almost all. Now that I think of it, I should've used the numbers in the 20's as rarely wore RB numbers in that time. I do realize there was some pretty famous backs wearing numbers in the 30's also.

My mistake on that one.
 
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Its very hard to understand how a guy is complaining about a few million dollars, when the New Orleans residents around him are struggling to get 10-20 thousand dollars, just to make their home livable again.


It's because he knows he can make a larger contract, and be paid along with all of the other top rookies in the league. The fact that the New Orleans economy is in hell should not be used against Bush, or force him to settle for less than what he can get. I don't blame him for one bit, because right now is the time to get contracts straight. That's why you hire an agent.
 
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First of all, where is he complaining or whining? Greedy maybe, but not a whiner. You also conveniently left out that he is still giving 25% of his jersey sales compensation to Katrina, even tho the NFL is not letting him wear #5 (the original reason for that 25% donation).

Just my view on him. He always seemed showoff-ish in college with his flips and rolls into the endzone and now his attitude has totally changed on contract agreements and when the deal will be done. Its nice thats hes still giving 25% of his jersey sales to Katrina, but to come into the NFL and want more money than offered before even playing 1 down, and to ask the NFL for a jersey number change as a rookie - knowing other vets were shot down before him, comes across as pushy. Just come in, shut up and play hard. I can understand that he was a big time college star, and that he can get leverage on more money, but come on, know your surroundings. If he was out in California, an expensive state, it prolly wouldnt be that big of a deal. But with what the residents in New Orleans have gone through this past year, it just doesnt seem like the time or place for contract holdouts. Majority of the people that he will play for, the residents, dont even have a home to live in. A place that many generations of their families have called home, hard workers that are lower to middle class cant even get up enough money to rebuild. Now here comes a college football star, rolls into a new town to place football for millions of dollars, and whats being offered isnt good enough? Im sorry, but he hasnt proven anything in the NFL, he could hurt his shoulder in the first game this season and become injury bitten through his whole career and wont be worth all the time and effort....Its just frustrating to think about IMO.

I guess I put myself as a New Orleans resident when view Reggie Bush. Number changes and contract holdouts in a devestated town didnt seem to get him off on the right foot. I keep having images in my head of N.O. residents sleeping and living in the dome because they dont have homes to go back to. Whereas, Reggie, Im sure has a big ol house that his comfortably living in, while holding out for more millions to have a job, doing something he loves. The residents that came back will be forced into working low class jobs just to help their families survive....So to me, that 25% is nice, but talk is cheap.
 
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Its nice thats hes still giving 25% of his jersey sales to Katrina, but to come into the NFL and want more money than offered before even playing 1 down, and to ask the NFL for a jersey number change as a rookie - knowing other vets were shot down before him, comes across as pushy.
So Reggie has to come in and accept whatever initial offer Tom Benson makes? You can't be serious. Every 1st-day draft pick is going to ask for more money than offered before even playing 1 down.

And this notion that Reggie is being pushy about his number is hilarious. Reggie made a request through a process that is already in place and used by NFL players. His request was turned down. I haven't seen one report of Reggie complaining about the decision. He accepted it and moved on. Yet he is labeled as pushy. It boggles my mind.

Regarding the contract issue and Katrina victims...

Your objections would make sense if this extra money Reggie wants would be coming from the Katrina victims. But, it isn't. The money is coming from multi-millionaire (perhaps billionaire) Tom Benson. How does the situation for Katrina victims improve if Tom Benson keeps the extra millions instead of giving it to Reggie?

The Tom Benson who has shown absolutely no loyalty to New Orleans, even after Katrina?

Relocation controversy

During the Saints' 2001 negotiations with the state of Louisiana, rumors circulated that Benson would seek relocation if his requests — which included renovations to the Superdome, a new practice facility in suburban Metairie, and escalating annual payments from the state to the team — could not be met. Though he never made public statements to this effect, Benson's business ties to the city — and the availability of the Alamodome as a playing facility — made San Antonio the most common subject of speculation.

After Hurricane Katrina, many returning New Orleanians used their trashed refrigerators as temporary billboards. Graffiti critical of Tom Benson was even more common than that critical of FEMA or the Orleans Levee Board.




When it became clear that Hurricane Katrina's extensive damage to New Orleans and the Superdome would make it impossible for the Saints to play there in 2005, the team temporarily relocated its operations to San Antonio and began negotiations to play home games at the Alamodome. (The Saints, after discussions with the NFL and Louisiana State University, eventually agreed to play three games at the Alamodome and four games at LSU's Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge).


At the Saints-Falcons game on October 16, the second of two warm receptions of the Saints by the San Antonio community, mayor Phil Hardberger stated that Benson had agreed to schedule negotiations for permanent relocation once the 2005 season is over. In reference to Benson, Hardberger said, "I'm pretty comfortable in saying he wants to be here." [1]


On Monday, October 17, Benson dismissed executive vice president Arnold Fielkow, who had been a public advocate of the Saints' importance to the state of Louisiana, and who had advocated the playing of home games in Baton Rouge. According to Fielkow, Benson told him that if he'd tender his resignation and sign a confidentiality agreement, he'd be paid the remainder of his contract; when he refused, he was fired outright. [2]


Benson's actions quickly drew outrage from Saints fans as well as local and state officials. On Wednesday, October 19, New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin sharply criticized Benson for acts he deemed heartless and opportunistic. Said Nagin: "For them to be openly talking to other cities about moving is disrespectful to the citizens of New Orleans, disrespectful to the Saints fans who have hung in with this franchise through 30-something years under very trying times." [3]


Two days later, Benson publicly stated that he has made no plans to move the Saints to San Antonio. "There are many factors that will affect the future location of our team," Benson said. "That is also true of many other New Orleans-based companies that are faced with deciding their future homes." He said he would make no decisions about the team's future until the 2005 season is over. [4]


On Wednesday, October 26, Benson reiterated his commitment to the New Orleans area in the form of a full-page ad in newspapers around the region. The ad, a letter entitled "Tom Benson Wants to Return to New Orleans," acknowledged the negative reaction surrounding the team's recent actions, but promised that no decision has been made regarding the team's future. Said Benson in the letter, "It is too early to determine, but my desire is to return to New Orleans." [5]


Benson's firm but noncommittal stance compares unfavorably to the statements of the New Orleans Hornets, the city's displaced NBA team. Though the Hornets are playing all but a handful of games this season in far-off Oklahoma City — and have even officially changed the team's name to the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets at least for the 2005-06 season — the basketball team's ownership insists they will be returning to the recovering city as soon as possible. The Hornets have also announced a community relations initiative to keep the team involved in the New Orleans area as it rebuilds.


Also, Benson's statements seem at odds with his team's reported efforts to break its agreement with the state of Louisiana. The team recently informed the state it wants to break the lease on its practice complex in Metairie, claiming the facility, which had been commandeered by FEMA as a base of operations following Katrina, was too damaged to occupy. However, a television report from WWL-TV in New Orleans showed the facility to be relatively unscathed and in spotless condition.


In addition, according to a recent report from the San Antonio Express-News, Benson plans to invoke a force majeure clause in his agreement with the state. The clause allows him to void his lease with the Superdome without penalty if he claims an "Act of God" has prevented the team from using the stadium. Benson has a deadline of November 29 to invoke this clause for the 2006 season. [6] However, Superdome officials maintain that damage to the facility was not as great as was once believed, and that repairs to the stadium will allow the Saints to play at least some of their games there in 2006.


NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue met with Benson and Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco at the Saints' first home game in Baton Rouge on October 30. After the meeting, he stopped just short of making a formal commitment to keep the Saints in New Orleans. Said Tagliabue: "The Saints are Louisiana's team and have been since the late '60s when my predecessor Pete Rozelle welcomed them to the league as New Orleans' team and Louisiana's team. Our focus continues to be on having the Saints in Louisiana." He dispelled rumors that have the Saints relocating to Los Angeles. He also suggested that the Saints may need to focus on becoming more of a regional team, possibly implying a name change to the Louisiana Saints or the Gulf Coast Saints. Tagliabue will form an eight-owner advisory committee to help decide the team's future. [7]


On October 30, 2005, Benson charged a cameraman with a raised hand while leaving Tiger Stadium following a Saints loss to the Miami Dolphins and lunged at the television news crew grabbing a camera and wrenching it down before being eased away by Saints security. A video also appeared to show Benson angrily responding to a heckling fan. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league would likely take no action against Benson. [8] On November 1, 2005, an e-mail sent to Commissioner Paul Tagliabue from Benson was leaked to the press. Benson stated in the e-mail that he feared for his life, and his family's safety upon his exit from Tiger Stadium, and would not be returning to any future games in Baton Rouge. Benson declared in the email that security in the stadium was "inadequate" and inaccurately claimed that his family "could all have been severely injured or killed." However, LSU officials were quick to point out that they had no negative comments from the Saints or the NFL concerning Tiger Stadium security. In addition, the videotape of Benson from October 30 showed him being escorted by at least one security guard, belying his e-mail claim that security was "non-existent." A day later, Saints spokesman Greg Bensel stated that Benson's e-mail was sent in frustration, and that Benson was undecided on whether he would attend any future games in Baton Rouge. [9] Benson did not attend the following week's game at Tiger Stadium on November 6 against the Chicago Bears.


On November 4, 2005, Benson made a deal with Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco that would postpone two important termination deadlines in the team's Superdome lease until after the 2006 season. Benson extended his force majeure clause period until January 2007. Presumably this will keep the Saints in New Orleans until January 2007; however, Benson can still invoke the clause any time between now and then. This buys the Saints time to explore future options with state officials without having to make a decision on the future of the franchise now. This would also allow the state to focus on more pressing needs in the recovery efforts from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, while allowing the Saints more time to determine whether the region's economy could rebound enough to continue supporting the franchise. [10]


In the midst of this controversy, several groups of investors have approached Benson with offers to buy the team and keep them in Louisiana, the most publicized group being one led by FOX Sports analyst and former Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw, who is a Louisiana native. [11] However, Benson has expressed that he has no intentions of selling the team and plans to eventually hand down ownership to his granddaughter, Saints owner/executive Rita Benson LeBlanc. Benson spoke to press following an NFL owners' meeting on November 15, at which he reiterated that the team is not for sale, but also stated that other NFL owners, along with Tagliabue, were working with him to keep the team in New Orleans. [12]


On December 17, ESPN reported that Benson had told Saints players that he planned to keep the Saints in San Antonio for the 2006 season and possibly beyond, and that he was willing to sue the NFL for the right to stay there. This was days after NFL Players Association director Gene Upshaw advised the Saints players not to renew their leases on their homes in San Antonio because the league planned to order them to return to their home facilities in Metairie. [13] This was also a few days after Benson had reportedly told his staff that they could not return to their Metairie facilities because it was still being occupied by FEMA and National Guard officials and that the New Orleans area had become "unlivable." The State of Louisiana responded by sending Benson a formal letter asking him and the Saints organization to return to the facility at the end of the 2005 season. Included with the letter were statements from FEMA and the National Guard stating that they were no longer using the facility. [14]


On December 30, two days before the Saints' final game of the 2005 season against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Benson announced at a press conference that the Saints will return to their Metairie facility at the end of the 2005 season, and that the team would play as many of their home games as possible during the 2006 season in the Louisiana Superdome, which he said could be ready as early as mid-September, 2006. [15] On January 11, 2006, Benson and Tagliabue announced plans to play all of their 2006 home games in the Superdome. Tagliabue also stated that the NFL was committed to keeping the Saints in New Orleans beyond 2006, calling it a "multiyear effort" and not just a one-year deal. He also stated that the NFL was talking with city officials about possibly hosting another Super Bowl there in the near future, which would be the city's 10th. Benson stated that he was committed to New Orleans "forever, as long as the community commits to me." [16]
 
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well said, methomps.

AFB, do you think Holmes is showoff-ish? Do you hold his numerous dives into the end zone against him? (sure some have been 'legal' but they are a clear staple of his TDs)
 
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Article Rips Bush's Agent

Worst deal-making since Ricky Williams - Segal torched in SD Tribune article
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Representatives fail to serve best interests of Reggie Bush

UNION-TRIBUNEMay 28, 2006
For someone so proficient at running to daylight, Reggie Bush seems hopelessly trapped in the dark when it comes to the performance of his agent, Joel Segal, and his marketing rep, Mike Ornstein.
The last time a top-five draft choice received worse representation was 1999, when fellow San Diego County Heisman Trophy winner Ricky Williams signed with rapper Master P's fledgling sports company, then agreed to an eight-year contract with the Saints that was short on guaranteed money and long on incentives.
It's now starting to look as if Team Bush is equally negligent when it comes to protecting the client's best interests.
Segal, whose background includes a one-year suspension by the players association for funneling cash to a University of Florida athlete, blew the running back's chance at being the first pick in last month's draft by making ridiculous contract demands.
Houston reportedly was willing to give Bush a 10 percent bump in guaranteed money over what 2005 top pick Alex Smith received, but Segal is said to have wanted double that. The Texans eventually tired of the demand and decided to open negotiations with North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, with whom they came to terms on the eve of the draft.
Ornstein, whose background includes a 1997 felony conviction for mail fraud, has been no better. Sure, he lined up a couple of big deals for Bush, but he also hurt the Helix High alum and USC standout by allowing him to do television interviews shortly after news broke that Bush's family might have lived rent-free in the house of a man seeking to partner with Bush in a fledgling sports-marketing agency.
Halfway across the country, a well-known NFL player took a break from his workout to watch Bush's first interview after the allegations of NCAA violations surfaced. When Bush stammered and stumbled after being asked if his family paid rent while living in the home, the veteran said out loud to the television what others were thinking in their heads: “He's not ready. He . . . is . . . not . . . ready!”
Wasn't then, and isn't now.
In some respects, it's amazing to witness the ineptitude that has taken place. When Bush left USC after winning two national titles and playing for a third, he was everybody's All-American. He had a clean background, a great smile and a game that, according to some, comes around but once a generation.
But now it seems as if Bush can't get out of his own way, in part because he's receiving poor advice from his handlers.
Two weeks ago, he tried to say all the right things at the Saints' minicamp. He told reporters he was ecstatic to be in New Orleans as the second pick, that he wanted to help rebuild the city and that he was confident his agent and the team would come to terms on a contract before training camp.
“I told my agent that I want to be here in camp on time, whatever it takes,” he said. “I don't want to get caught up in holdouts or anything.”
A few days later, after probably being informed that he had just undercut his agent's negotiating leverage, Bush was sent back out to “clarify” his remarks. His new position was that the Saints' proposal would have to “meet our expectations.”
If it weren't so painful, it would be comical. Here he had a chance to distance himself from the scrutiny of the NCAA's investigation and the sting of falling to No. 2, but, once again, he was put in an uncomfortable and unfortunate situation because his handlers failed to do their jobs. And things might get even worse.
If Segal intends to seek in the neighborhood of $30 million in guarantees from the Saints, as some knowledgeable people throughout the league claim, New Orleans has a better chance of rebuilding its levees before the next hurricane season than Bush does of getting to camp on time.
Saints GM Mickey Loomis has no intention of paying Bush more in guarantees than Mario Williams received as the top pick. That pact included $21.75 million in guarantees, with the figure jumping to $26.5 million if the Texans exercise an option next year.
The saddest part of this situation is that the two people who should have been looking out for Bush's best interests – his parents – are the ones who helped create much of this mess. They not only surrendered too much control to Ornstein, who forged a relationship with Bush after hiring him as an intern last summer, but also allegedly violated NCAA rules by taking improper benefits from a man seeking to form a business partnership with their son.
The veracity of the claim can be debated from now until the NCAA concludes its investigation, but if various witnesses are to be believed, stepdad LaMar Griffin was walking around with his hand extended in every direction, eager and willing to take handouts tied to Bush's celebrity.
The only thing worse than being greedy is being greedy and sloppy, and Griffin was apparently both. Now Bush stands to lose the Heisman Trophy and one of his national titles. That's on top of the millions in guarantees he already has lost for not being the top pick.
Even in the dark, those realities shine brightly. The question now is, what will Bush do about it?
 
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well said, methomps.

AFB, do you think Holmes is showoff-ish? Do you hold his numerous dives into the end zone against him? (sure some have been 'legal' but they are a clear staple of his TDs)

No I do not think Holmes is "showoff-ish". He has actually put himself through alot with his girlfriend and two children living in Florida, while staying in college and playing ball in Ohio. Thats a class act IMO. He could have went pro last year and make money for his family, but stayed, not just for a better draft position, but for the OSU fans. If you are getting at that Holmes put up his finger (signaling #1) at the ND game, then I still dont think that compares to the numerous amount of flips and rolls Bush did into the endzone.

Im sorry that Methopms and you dont agree with me, but that doesnt make my view wrong, so please, dont try and act like Im talking out of my ass here. Hell, Mike and Mike in the morning were even talking about how Bush made a mistake to make promises when drafted (of comming into camp with a contract signed). Thats what really started me on this though process. With all that is going on around Bush, to me, he just seems like he is expecting too much. First you have the strong possibility that Bush and his family may have been excepting money for a house and flights around the nation. Then you have his contract holdout, and finally you have his request for a number change. Sorry, but IMO, he is a rookie that hasnt proved anything. He should have kept his mouth shut. I can understand asking for just a few million more, but come on, its not like hes only being offered a few hundred thousand. Whether you want to agree with me or not, N.O. is jsut not the place to be haggling for more money right now. Sorry if you dont like it, but its true. Bush is a representation of New Orleans and it just doesnt seem like the right place. Bottom line to me is simple, hes a rookie that hasnt proven a thing in the NFL. I dont care is he won a Heisman in college, that doesnt mean much for NFL success. Look how our own David Boston (top 3 receiver in OSU history) worked out, or even Archie Griffin (only 2 time Heisman winner). Untill I see him live up to his hype, he is just another runningback.

Once again, for my third post (if anyone fully read my others). This is just MY view, no reason to attack me on it, I was never getting on any individuals here on BuckeyePlanet for their views.
 
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