Bucknut24;1959463; said:
They should've countered by asking for Jimenez, Street and Tulo just to show them what a waste of time that offer was before starting to talk business for real.
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They should've countered by asking for Jimenez, Street and Tulo just to show them what a waste of time that offer was before starting to talk business for real.
scott91575
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WOTS is no one is willing the give the Mets anything decent for Beltran. The Reds should step in and offer Frazier and one of the single A players. It might actually get it done, and the Reds won't have to give up anything major in the deal. Perfect fit for this team. Might salvage the season (unlikely, but hey, why not), and won't mortgage the future either. Do a similar thing for Kuroda and this team might be able to make a run without ruining the future. Of course Kuroda won't replace the one guy that needs to be replaced (Arroyo), but he would be better than Willis.
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scott91575;1959551; said:
If Beltran wasn't a pure rental maybe but any trades at this point have to fix 2012 and beyond or there is no point. 2011 is deader than Julius Cesar.
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Jaxbuck;1959561; said:
Yeah, but it's 4 games back (although 3 teams ahead of them) and if they can get him for a mid level prospect (which is what people are saying) why not? I know Dusty will quickly put out any fire this team may catch, but it would show good will to the fans that the organization doesn't give up on a season.
Frazier + a low level prospect would be a great combo. Highly unlikely they would develop into anything serious, but enough talent to tease the Mets into a deal. Since the Mets appear willing to eat his contract, why not give it a shot? Nothing really lost.
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scott91575;1959567; said:
Fans have been taking annual groin smashes since the late 1970's, whats one more? I personally think Bob is content with a .500ish team and more asses in the seats.
As far as Beltran, I am of the opinion you don't buy shit you don't need just because its on sale.
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brodybuck21;1959337; said:
Well, it would have been Bray for the whole inning if he would have brought in a reliever right away, at least until after Beltran. Reyes is better hitting left handed, same with Beltran.
Of course Ondrusek would have come in the next inning, but might have only given up 2 runs instead of 4 (2 that were inherited).
I am just sick of Dusty trying to save his bullpen just in case. It's simple statistics, and if you play them you will have a better winning percentage. It's not rocket science. A pitcher with a 4 ERA who has already thrown 100+ pitches is more likely to give up runs than pretty much anyone in the bullpen (all of the bullpen pitchers have better ERA's except Chapman, and that is mostly due to his incredible wildness a while back). If it was Cueto out there dealing, I would be more likely to keep him out there. Yet this is Leake, and he just gave up 2 hits the previous inning on top of the pitch count I mentioned.
As a wise man once said, you play to win the game. Not Dusty, he plays to win some hypothetical game in the future which may never happen at the expense of the current game. Of course that doesn't even work out. The bullpen worked just as much, and they lost the game.
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scott91575;1959573; said:
same principle applies when they decide not to let two LH hitters go back to back even if they are the 2 best hitters on the team. better to sacrifice 2/3 of the game so the opposing manager can't get over on you and get 2 outs from his LOOGY in one hypothetical late inning.
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Jaxbuck;1959574; said:
Teams send in their LOOGY anyway and pitch around the right hander (or if it is Rolen pitch to him since he is an easy out).
The best in game managers always have 1 of 2 things (sometimes both), great player and/or the ability to play the percentages. Every great manager you hear say "I managed by feel" always had a murderer's row for a lineup.
There is certainly more to managing than in game decisions, yet it's the most simple thing there is that too many managers eff up because they want to appear to be a genius. Play the percentages, and in the long run you will always maximize the teams wins.
Sadly most managers have huge egos and only remember the hand full of times they went against the book and it was successful versus the multitude of times they screwed the pooch. Yet if you go over all of them, it would show the percentages never fail in the long run where "gut feelings" always have a worst percentage.
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DGADBTWSOM
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Gomes and $$ for a couple minor leagers from the Nationals. per Reds Tweet.
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scott91575
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The Nationals are one of the worst organizations in baseball. I doubt either prospect makes much of an impact (although the guy in single A might be able to make it in the majors), but it's better than nothing for a guy that was completely worthless. On top that, I read a writer for the Nationals state they did it to get a type B free agent pick. Yeah, that means you would have to offer arbitration to a guy that will take it in a heartbeat. He would be lucky for a team to offer him a minor league deal, let alone hand him arbitration.
Anyway, see ya Derp. You won't be missed.
Anyway, see ya Derp. You won't be missed.
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