Reds Tidbits (2009 season)

[crazybuckfan40]

Like Schwab said I see both of your points...

And it is about scoring more runs, but a 12 run out burst in a game that only gets you one win and then 1 and 2 the next 2 so you get 15 total and hold your opponent to 6 and you only get 1 win out of it...Because they score more than your 1 or 2 in the other games...

If we get 5 in every game chances are we win them all...

It was an all or nothing type offense which also taxes a pitching staff...One year Bronson the next Harang where they go out there and pitch great games and get no run support...

Dunn didn't have a lineup around him to truly reach his worth and style of play...

But we now have a lineup that we aren't going to put up 9 runs/game very often, but should have a lineup to score most nights, and play small ball when need be to manufacture a run...

We will have guys that score from first on a double, or second on a base hit, or bunt for hits, to bring infielders in, or sacrifice...

Then middle guys that seem to be able to have an all around game...

 

[Jaxbuck]

I grasp it...I just don't buy it to the extent you're trying to sell it. Every division winner in baseball last year scored around 800 runs. I do find it curious that the Angels, the best record holder in the AL, only scored only 68 (765 to 697) more runs over the course of the season than their opponents yet won 100 games. I understand that its all about pitching, but can you honestly make the argument that the Reds pitching (4.55 team ERA last year) won't be better with Griffey and Dunn gone and a return of Gonzalez at SS with younger, faster defenders in the OF? Defense makes average pitching better.

Better defense wil help the starting pitching no doubt about it. ( I don't see A-Gon as a positive in that area but thats another story). The problem is when you look at how far they have to go.

The Reds were 4th worst in the NL at giving up runs last year. Even a big improvement isn't going to vault them to the top, it will take improvement just to get to middle of the road. The pitching is a lot better than it has been by Reds standards but by normal NL standards it still sucks.

So now you've gone from suck to maybe decent on the run prevention side of the equation. Positive direction to be headed in for sure(hopefully).

But you don't play .500+ ball over a season by giving up more runs than you allow. Run differential is the key to winning and quite simply you aren't going to start eating into that 90 some odd run differential by adding an out machine to play CF and leadoff every day. Never mind the fact they lost their most productive offensive player from an already stagnate offense and will most likely replace him with Norris F Hopper.


Since you took the time to look up the Angles run diff from last year hopefully you looked at all the playoff teams to get an idea of just how far we have to go. Everyone of them had a positive run differential, everyone of them. They all play different styles but the bottom line is they score more runs than they allow over the course of a season.


Until the Reds can do the same we aren't getting anywhere. Adding shitty players and not replacing the good ones we lose is not going to help the situation.

 

[DaytonBuck]

Hey what happened to Hal McCoy's prediction that Adam Dunn would be a highly valued free agent and a 20 mil a year guy?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Hey what happened to Hal McCoy's prediction that Adam Dunn would be a highly valued free agent and a 20 mil a year guy?

Hal's a dipshit but to be fair to him the economics of baseball, and the whole damn country, have changed quite drastically. I personally don't think the owners are feeling it that bad but its a good excuse to keep the salaries down on all but the elite FA's.

Pat the Bat and Abreu are still unemployed as well just to name a few.

 

[DaytonBuck]

Hal's a dipshit but to be fair to him the economics of baseball, and the whole damn country, have changed quite drastically. I personally don't think the owners are feeling it that bad but its a good excuse to keep the salaries down on all but the elite FA's.

Pat the Bat and Abreu are still unemployed as well just to name a few.

I just can't get over the love some Red's fan had for a guy to me is basically a poor man's Dave Kingman

 

[Jaxbuck]

I just can't get over the love some Red's fan had for a guy to me is basically a poor man's Dave Kingman

Why even start that again?

I could break out a pile of stats that show to anyone willing to open their mind and think that the only thing Kingman and Dunn have in common was that they were tall and hit homeruns.

People who don't like Dunn don't want to be bothered by stats and facts, people who pay attention to stats and facts can't believe how how much hate some Reds fans have for Dunn. This has been played out a million times already. The guy is gone, let it go.

My only question is who becomes the whipping boy now that Dunn is gone and they will continue to suck? My guess is EE. He is the most opposite of Pete Rose of anyone left on the team and deep down thats all the average Reds fan cares about.

 

[DaytonBuck]

Why even start that again?

I could break out a pile of stats that show to anyone willing to open their mind and think that the only thing Kingman and Dunn have in common was that they were tall and hit homeruns.

People who don't like Dunn don't want to be bothered by stats and facts, people who pay attention to stats and facts can't believe how how much hate some Reds fans have for Dunn. This has been played out a million times already. The guy is gone, let it go.

My only question is who becomes the whipping boy now that Dunn is gone and they will continue to suck? My guess is EE. He is the most opposite of Pete Rose of anyone left on the team and deep down thats all the average Reds fan cares about.

Very soon it will be Drew Stubbs

 

[Jaxbuck]

6.25 Million over 2 years for fast Willy T.

All Things Rockies Colorado


:stupid:Some organizations will just never get better because they keep making bad decisions. The Reds are breathing the same stank air as the Bungles, Lions and Clippers now.

Institutionalized suck due to institutionalized stupidity.

 

[jlb1705]

Why even start that again?

I could break out a pile of stats that show to anyone willing to open their mind and think that the only thing Kingman and Dunn have in common was that they were tall and hit homeruns.

People who don't like Dunn don't want to be bothered by stats and facts, people who pay attention to stats and facts can't believe how how much hate some Reds fans have for Dunn. This has been played out a million times already. The guy is gone, let it go.

My only question is who becomes the whipping boy now that Dunn is gone and they will continue to suck? My guess is EE. He is the most opposite of Pete Rose of anyone left on the team and deep down thats all the average Reds fan cares about.

Very soon it will be Drew Stubbs

Let's just hope it doesn't become Jay Bruce.

 

[Jaxbuck]

SS is settled. LF is all but done.

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives...g_to_reds.html

Free agent Jerry Hairston Jr. is returning to the Reds. A baseball source told MLB.com that Hairston and the club agreed to terms on a one-year contract worth a guaranteed $2 million on Tuesday. It's an incentive laden deal that could be worth up to $4 million.

An announcement is expected on Wednesday. The Royals and Cardinals were the other teams competing for Hairston's services.

It appears that Cincinnati plans to make Hairston its starting shortstop this season because Alex Gonzalez won't be ready.

--- Mark Sheldon

JHJ is back for 2M to be our SS. So much for improving the defense.

The lineup is looking like this:

CF Taveras
SS Hariston
1b Votto
2b Phillips
RF Bruce
3b EE
LF Dickerson
C Hernandez
P

Thats an absolutely anemic offense, still a shitty defense and the pitching isn't good enough to overcome either problem.

Good times.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Walt now claiming that A-Gon is going to be ready to go and is the SS.

JHJ/Dickerson to platoon LF.

At this stage in his career, if he is healthy, I don't think A-Gon is a great SS but if the alternative is Keppinger or JHJ lets hope A-Gon is indeed healthy and still has a shred of range left.

That means we don't have a glaring black hole anywhere in the defense (assuming we get decent play from SS and CF) so I guess we have that going for us. Corner OF is obviously improved defensivly.

However, the offense is going to struggle mightily if Walt goes to war with the current roster. Mightily.

 

[corwinator3407]

I'm not ruling out Hairston hitting leadoff now that he got re-signed today. They put up great numbers when he hit leadoff last year. Put Taveras in at 6 or 7 and I'd be happy. I'm not gonna talk bad about the guy until we see what he's got in a Redlegs jersey.

 

[jlb1705]

Dollar hot dogs on Opening Day?

Discuss.

 

[EDDIE GGGG27]

I heard was Bobby Abreu's name linked to the Reds. Any1 hear anything on this?

 

[CookyPuss]

I heard was Bobby Abreu's name linked to the Reds. Any1 hear anything on this?

Reds assessing free-agent outfielders | reds.com: News

Much speculation lately has matched the Reds with former Yankees and Phillies corner outfielder Bobby Abreu, a lefty hitter the Reds have at least looked into. Right now at least, there isn't much fire behind that smoke.
"I haven't talked to his agent recently," Jocketty said.