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Reds Tidbits (2009 season)

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scott91575;1471404; said:
Clearly it won't matter for him staying in the bigs, but that cost the Reds the game. Hernandez called for off speed twice, and Bailey shakes him off with 2 outs and a 2-2 count. Bailey wanted to throw the heat, and he got burnt. He has no business calling off his catcher, and it cost the Reds 2 runs. It still would not have been the best start, but those 2 runs were crucial. Not only does he not have control, but his head is not right either.

Hey Homer, you just got called up again, and got shelled again. Stop thinking you are something special and listen to guys that actually can stay in the league for more than random injury replacements. Hernandez should have gone to the mound and smacked him. At least I didn't see another shake off the rest of the game from him. I am sure the coaches had some choice words.
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It would have been interesting if someone like Mike Scioscia was his manager or another former catcher who was pretty decent at handling pitchers.

Homer might've gotten yanked immediately. Homer hasn't realized his stuff isn't good enough to blow away major league hitters like he has on just about every level so far. As a bitter and broken Orioles fan who is waiting for the current owner to die, it's very similar to what Ben McDonald did when he came up back in the early 90s. He wouldn't use his off-speed stuff to set up his fastball, not that he could really control that pitch either anyway.

Homer is kinda in the same situation except his fastball doesn't quite have the speed McDonald's did.

Was Bailey a first-rounder? I can't remember - that might have something to do with it though. Another question is did he shake off David Ross a lot when he's been up with the team?
 
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Jaxbuck;1471310; said:
The really bad part is there is no million dollar arm.
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I think he has a great arm, just no control and no smarts. 6 walks, and that home run ball that was a 2 seamer meant for the outside that went right in the heart. Tons of talent, and no idea how to use it. Of course what will happen is the Reds will finally give up on him, and then he will put it together.

He did just turn 23, and I am willing to give breaks on control for another year or two. Yet that shake off irked me because it shows he still will not listen, and that is just as big a problem.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1471405; said:
Was Bailey a first-rounder? I can't remember - that might have something to do with it though. Another question is did he shake off David Ross a lot when he's been up with the team?
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Yep, 7th overall in 2004. I am a little bit more jaded than most with him. I have a family member that was in the front office that drafted him (now gone and working for another organization). I have heard stories. Let's just say he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
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scott91575;1471408; said:
Yep, 7th overall in 2004. I am a little bit more jaded than most with him. I have a family member that was in the front office that drafted him (now gone and working for another organization). I have heard stories. Let's just say he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Well intelligence isn't necessarily a requirement to be a good pitcher. John Rocker showed us that one :biggrin:

I guess I've never understood the hype around Bailey. I remember when he was called up in 2007 (I think it was 2007) it was damned near pandemonium on the Dayton Sports Radio station (which was a sister station of 1530 at the time). I saw the video of him pitching a bullpen session and I swear I thought he was a high-schooler.

Maybe he'll develop out of it, but I think the Reds would be better off trying to package something together to take a run at a pitcher who has a few years left on his contract. I don't think Bailey was or is the answer at this point.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1471413; said:
Well intelligence isn't necessarily a requirement to be a good pitcher. John Rocker showed us that one :biggrin:

I guess I've never understood the hype around Bailey. I remember when he was called up in 2007 (I think it was 2007) it was damned near pandemonium on the Dayton Sports Radio station (which was a sister station of 1530 at the time). I saw the video of him pitching a bullpen session and I swear I thought he was a high-schooler.

Maybe he'll develop out of it, but I think the Reds would be better off trying to package something together to take a run at a pitcher who has a few years left on his contract. I don't think Bailey was or is the answer at this point.
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He was called up too early (yes 2007). It was a big fight within the organization. The coaches wanted him called up, and the front office considered him too young/not developed enough. His fastball is really good, but his off speed is still really inconsistent. His curve and change up are still all over the map as far as velocity and break (he still needs to throw it on 2-2 counts when the catcher calls for it). All of them are really good when thrown well. He is just not consistent.


If I was in the Reds front office, I would wait 2 more years since the Reds need cheap young pitching to compete. His arm is not dead, so no reason to completely dump him. What the Reds would get in return would not have as much as his upside. Yet he is not the sure thing many people claimed. He just needs to get his head together out there, and work hard on location and consistency.

Anyway, I am not in the front office. I am a fan. As a fan, my patience has worn thin. Of course also as a fan, and some wins changes my thoughts real quick.

edit: In the end, you may have hit on something with being a first rounder. He was 18 and had tons of money given to him. He has been the rich guy in clubhouses full of guys trying to scratch together a living, and was/is very immature. Sort of takes away some motivation when you are handed more cash then you could ever imagine, and are surrounded by guys that make $50,000 a year or less. Hopefully as he matures and the desire to compete and win kicks in. Yet he has not shown that yet.
 
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scott91575;1471406; said:
I think he has a great arm, just no control and no smarts. 6 walks, and that home run ball that was a 2 seamer meant for the outside that went right in the heart. Tons of talent, and no idea how to use it. Of course what will happen is the Reds will finally give up on him, and then he will put it together.

He did just turn 23, and I am willing to give breaks on control for another year or two. Yet that shake off irked me because it shows he still will not listen, and that is just as big a problem.
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I agree with everything you are saying. I personally don't see the "electric" stuff, especially heater, that he was said to posses when drafted but I think its semantics at this point. He certainly has enough stuff to be effective if he can locate and pitch smart.

In the world of big IF's surrounding the Reds I'd put money on WT hitting .300 before I'd put money down on HB tackling those two demons.
 
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The Tribe just scored a run on an obstruction call on Rosales. As it turns out, Rosales obstructed precisely nothing on that play - not the path of the baserunner, and also not the throw that went thru his legs to the dugout fence behind him.
 
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jlb1705;1471482; said:
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The Tribe just scored a run on an obstruction call on Rosales. As it turns out, Rosales obstructed precisely nothing on that play - not the path of the baserunner, and also not the throw that went thru his legs to the dugout fence behind him.
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That was a horrible call, and the only thing worse than the call, or the fact that it went through Rosales's legs was the way Dusty Baker argued the call. That was a case where there should have been full out meltdown throwing shit screaming and yelling, until they toss you. That call could have cost the Reds the game, and Baker goes out argues for a few minutes and then just walks away with his head down. Bullshit
 
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buckeyefool;1471794; said:
That was a horrible call, and the only thing worse than the call, or the fact that it went through Rosales's legs was the way Dusty Baker argued the call. That was a case where there should have been full out meltdown throwing shit screaming and yelling, until they toss you. That call could have cost the Reds the game, and Baker goes out argues for a few minutes and then just walks away with his head down. Bullshit
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buckeyefool;1471794; said:
That was a horrible call, and the only thing worse than the call, or the fact that it went through Rosales's legs was the way Dusty Baker argued the call. That was a case where there should have been full out meltdown throwing shit screaming and yelling, until they toss you. That call could have cost the Reds the game, and Baker goes out argues for a few minutes and then just walks away with his head down. Bullshit
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Two possible explinations:

1) The Dusty had just put in a new toothpick and didn't want to waste it

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2) The Dusty didn't argue too much because he's crazy like a fox, the other team had actually just gotten screwed by getting a runner on 1st and ...say it wth me...clogging up the bases.

The Dusty is playing chess while the rest of us are playing checkers.
 
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