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Reds Tidbits (2009 season)

Cincy (50-68)...44 games left

1. Pittsburgh (48-70)....2 GB
2. Baltimore - (48-71)....2.5 GB
3. KC - (47-72)....3.5GB
4. Washington (43-76)....7.5 GB

Cleveland and San Diego are right there at 51, but right now they are above us so they are not on the list...
 
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Stubbs is supposed to be getting the call up for tonight's game per RZ.

WT supposedly has a quad pull and is headed for the DL. Hopefully its about a 14 month stint. Useless fucking bastard.
 
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Cincy (50-69)...43 games left

1. Pittsburgh (49-70)....1 GB
2. Baltimore - (48-72)....2.5 GB
3. KC - (47-73)....3.5GB
4. Washington (43-77)....7.5 GB

Cleveland and San Diego are right there at 51, but right now they are above us so they are not on the list...

Pittsburgh won, the other 3 teams lost...

I am glad that Stubbs is up...

With Cueto going to the DL, and Votto having dizzy spells again, we could truly turn into a AAA club by end of the year...
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1519848; said:
Stubbs hit that ball a ton.....

Thanks, Mike. I had forgotten they were playing this afternoon. Now I have to ruin the rest of my day by listening to these assholes. :pissed:

EDIT - nevemrind. It's already over! Thank god! :groove:
 
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crazybuckfan40;1519417; said:
With Cueto going to the DL, and Votto having dizzy spells again, we could truly turn into a AAA club by end of the year...
Phillips now out. Screwed up his wrist in an AB today.

That should do it. If Votto can't go and Phillips ends the season on the DL, the Reds could wind up playing the entire month of September without a single positional player that was on a 2008 Opening Day roster.

The vets are Gomes and Nix. :lol:
 
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By Hal McCoy | Thursday, August 20, 2009, 02:30 PM

Nearly every day WLW, the Cincinnati Reds flagship station, plays a sound bite from CEO Bob Castellini in which he says, “We’re just not going to lose any more.”

That sound bite comes from two years ago and was an answer to a question I posed on the day general manager Wayne Krivskhy was fired early in the 2008 season.

The question was, “When are the Reds going to consider some stability in the general manager’s office and in the manager’s chair.”

Castellini wasn’t happy with my question and snapped out the answer, “We just aren’t going to lose any more.”

How is that working so far? As today’s game unfolded, the Reds were 19 games under .500 and the only team below them in the NL Central is the Pittsburgh Pirates.

And that’s all the Reds have left to play for this season - staying out of last place. The Reds and the Pirates play 13 times the rest of the season, beginning tomorrow night in Pittsburgh.

The theme: The Battle for the Bottom.

Since the Reds last had a winning season in 2000 and the manager was Jack McKeon and the general manager was Jim Bowden, the team has been managed by Bob Boone, Dave Miley, Jerry Narron, Pete Mackanin (interim) and Dusty Baker.

The GMs have been Jim Bowden, Dan O’Brien, Wayne Krivsky and Walt Jocketty.

Since McKeon and Bowden left, the theme has been rebuilding through the minor-league system. That’s the stated theme, The Grand Plan.

Well, it has been nine years of losing now and how is that working? The old Brooklyn Dodgers had a chant every year when they were eliminated, “Wait ‘til next year.” With the Reds, it is more like, “Wait until the next decade,” and even that doesn’t work.

The Reds and Jocketty keep saying they have a plan and that plan is the same plan they’ve told fans over and over, “We’re building from within.” They never saw how long that plan will take. Probably won’t happen in my lifetime.

What bothers me is the trade for Scott Rolen - a great guy, a great player. But he is 35 and injury-prone and has played only four games since the July 31 trade. To get him, the Reds gave up two young pitching prospects, Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart.

Is that building from within? Jocketty says he hopes Rolen sticks around for three or four years.

Why would that be? One of the Reds’ top prospects is third baseman Juan Francisco, who was recently promoted to Class AAA Louisville. He isn’t far away and one wonders, “If Rolen is around, where will Francisco play?”

Hopefully, somebody with the Reds is watching and studying what the Florida Marlins do. The Marlins spent about $90 million before the 1997 season on free agents and bought themselves a World Series trophy.

After that season, the Marlins got rid of most of their high-priced players and began building from within. And with one of baseball’s lowest payrolls, they won another World Series.

And they keep doing it. Low payroll, high return. They compete every year with one of baseball’s lowest payrolls, doing it mostly with homegrown talent. They are in the hunt against this year, in second place in the NL East, chasing the Phillies.

Why can’t the Reds do it? They could. Easily. If they’d only stick with the plan instead of constantly veering off course to sign players like Corey Patterson, Willy Taveras and trading for a player like Rolen, who will hinder the advancement of Francisco, unless they move him to left field. Then what are they going to do with shortstop-third baseman-left fielder- second baseman Todd Frazier?

Krivsky did a lot of good things in his short time with the Reds, especially in the development department. Krivsky, a long-time development guy with the Minnesota Twins - another team that does it right - was perfect for the Reds “Grand Plan.”

But Castellini became impatient and wanted Jocketty in the GM’s chair. Castellini was a minority owner with the St. Louis Cardinals when Jocketty was GM there.

Yes, the Cardinals were, and are, successful. But they aren’t a developmental team. They spend money. They sign free agents and they make trades for established players.

Perhaps Krivsky’s only curious move was to sign closer Francisco Cordero to a $47 million contract. A team building for the future doesn’t need an expensive closer.

Now he is an albatross on a team that doesn’t win enough to need an established closer. That’s a job that should be handled on the Reds by a young, inexpensive talent - Josh Roenicke was one. Jared Burton could be one. Nick Masset could be one.

If they can, the Reds should trade Cordero - the Phillies and Cubs could use a closer and have the cash to do it. That would save the Reds $25 milion over the next two years and make room for more young pitchers to develop.

I’m still scratching my head over why the Reds spent $10 million last off-season to buy a new HD scoreboard. It’s a nice trinket, but what was wrong with the old scoreboard?

You have to have fans in the park to see that scoreboard. The Reds were counting on 2 to 2.5 million fans this year but are headed closer to 1.5 to 1.7 million and there are indications the team will lose close to $15 million this year, according to a person close to the inner workings.

I don’t profess to be as knowledgeable as a club owner or a GM or a scout, but I do think that coming up with a plan and sticking with it would be beneficial.

And then prove to the fans that there is a plan that won’t take another decade to produce a consistent contender - like the Marlins or the Twins or the Tampa Bay Rays.
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I say let Hal McCoy run the Reds.
 
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Jaxbuck;1520208; said:
Boy old Hal says if you are getting rid of me then I'm going to say all the shit I've been holding back all this time.

Go get em Hal!!

He unleashed on Taveras the other day...

It is time...They need to understand that the fan base is not happy with the direction they are going...

Some of the decisions have been downright criminal to the fans...

It has been forever long since a winning team, need to hire a manager that is not still coaching in the 60's, and coaches to his teams strengths, and a GM that that understands what type of franchise we are...we aren't the yanks/sox/angels but a team that can get one bit time player or two, and build from within...

There is talent in the system...we need to turn that into results at the major league system, or trade it off for proven talent.
 
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I agree with the premise that we keep setting a blueprint, and then out of fucking nowhere we deviate so damn far from that blueprint that we can't remember what the hell the blueprint even was to begin with. And it usually only takes one of these fucktard signings/trades to get the entire (rational) fan base back on the sauce. This Rolen deal is consistent with that sporadic throw-shit-at-the-wall philosophy. "Well, we need to do something, so let's wait way too long, and pull an ass-clown move again! One of these times it has to work. Right?"

Right.

A friend of mine informed me tonight via text that the Reds-Pirates starting lineups tonight, combined, didn't even add up to $10M salary. I take him at his word, since who the fuck has the time to make up a stat like that. Jeezus.

I used italics to emphasize my points more clearly.
 
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schwab;1520769; said:
I agree with the premise that we keep setting a blueprint, and then out of fucking nowhere we deviate so damn far from that blueprint that we can't remember what the hell the blueprint even was to begin with. And it usually only takes one of these fucktard signings/trades to get the entire (rational) fan base back on the sauce. This Rolen deal is consistent with that sporadic throw-shit-at-the-wall philosophy. "Well, we need to do something, so let's wait way too long, and pull an ass-clown move again! One of these times it has to work. Right?"

Right.

A friend of mine informed me tonight via text that the Reds-Pirates starting lineups tonight, combined, didn't even add up to $10M salary. I take him at his word, since who the fuck has the time to make up a stat like that. Jeezus.

I used italics to emphasize my points more clearly.


I've been screaming this shit for years. It's ironic now that its becoming a more common line of reasoning I'm spent on giving a shit.

The Reds have become like a person you have to give up on to me. Like a person with an addiction so bad you just have to give up, tell yourself the person you knew is dead and turn your back on this person they have become so they can't hurt you or your family.

The Reds are addicted to losing. They can't help themselves from making poor decision after poor decision. You either make your peace with that and follow them from a safe emotional distance or you drive yourself nuts.

I didn't buy EI, MLB gameday or anything else this year. I haven't listened to or watched a game. I follow it through box scores and message boards about as casually as I am capable of.

I still love my Reds but the ownership (the limiteds especially) needs to just die off before any real meaningful change can happen. The parade of buffoons running this team are just a symptom of the real disease of leadership at the top.
 
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