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Reds Tidbits (2009 season)

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Dryden;1501619; said:
... and sucks up 8.5M of payroll, regardless whatever the hell the Orioles are footing of that.
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The O's ate 2 so he costs as much in 2009 as WT will cost over the next 2 years.

Of course remember our brainiac FO had given Farley a big contract extension so Hernandez was the price we paid to get out from under that gem.

The Reds are just a fuckhead decision daisy chain.
 
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Reds plate two in the top of the 8th, making it 5-7. George recounts the offensive explosion perfectly saying, "The Reds do business: a walk, a hit, an error, and a double play!"

Reds fever. Catch it!
 
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Dryden;1501649; said:
:slappy:

Reds plate two in the top of the 8th, making it 5-7. George recounts the offensive explosion perfectly saying, "The Reds do business: a walk, a hit, an error, and a double play!"

Reds fever. Catch it!
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I tossed around the idea of asking you if I could make the bolded portion of this post into my sig. But I decided overall that I like the scUM theme just a hair more.

To me, in a good year, baseball season runs from April to June. We sort of got July this year, so, you know, couldn't be that much better I guess.
 
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Joe Sheehan from BP on the Reds situation

Resting just 2? games further back, however, it?s a different story for the Reds. They?ve hung around much as the Astros have, being outscored on the season and featuring the next-to-worst third-order record in MLB, one that is even worse than that of the Nationals. They?re 44-48 because their veteran bullpen has been unconscionably good, the third-best in baseball this year with a 7.3 WXRL, giving them a 23-20 record in games decided by one or two runs. Predictably, their off-season moves have blown up, with Willy Taveras' .291 OBP helping to cripple an offense that is 14th in the league in runs scored. Jay Bruce?s struggle developing hasn?t helped?he was hitting .207/.283/.441 when a broken wrist sidelined him. Dusty Baker failed to play his second-best OBP guy, Chris Dickerson, for a long stretch, falling in love with a brief show of power by Laynce Nix and the memory of Jerry Hairston Jr.?s 2008 season. Neither is helping, and while Dickerson is finally garnering more playing time, it?s come a bit too late.
The drop in offense was expected, but the poor performance by the rotation wasn?t. With two good young arms and two veteran innings guys, the Reds should have been positioned to win lower-scoring games this year. Instead, they?ve placed 21st in SNLVAR, as only Johnny Cueto has been notably effective. The great bullpen has helped, but all things considered, this team is not good enough to contend, even in a weak division.
Not being the Astros gives the Reds a tougher decision to make. They have a better farm system, though not a top one, and a younger core of talent. Not winning this season wouldn?t be the end of the world, and by making the decision to not worry about it, Walt Jocketty could position the team for more success down the road. Were he to heal up in time to be dealt and then deliver something in-season, Ramon Hernandez would be an upgrade behind the plate for a number of teams, and he isn?t carrying a big price tag. Bronson Arroyo and Aaron Harang are 32 and 31, young enough to contribute here, but perhaps better fits for contenders' rotations. There?s simply no question that the aging anchors of this great bullpen, David Weathers, Arthur Rhodes, and Francisco Cordero, would have more value in the trade market than on the Great American Mound. The Reds have need for help up the middle, every spot. The core of Bruce, Cueto, Joey Votto, Edinson Volquez, Edwin Encarnacion, and Drew Stubbs is strong enough to be a contender for the next few seasons; Jocketty has to use the support around them now to make the support around them in 2011 much better. The Reds have to start selling, and quickly, taking advantage of the current seller?s market for talent.
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From Ken Rosenthal

Reds: Pitching to give

The Reds, one of the few teams willing to move pitching, are not thinking of conceding. Their goal is to move some of their more expensive starters and/or relievers to create opportunities for younger prospects.

The problem is, right-handed starters Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo and right-handed closer Francisco Cordero are too high-priced for virtually every prospective suitor. Harang and Arroyo are signed through 2010 and Cordero through '11 at salaries ranging from $9.5 million to $12 million.

Right-handed reliever David Weathers ($3.9 million) and lefty Arthur Rhodes ($2 million this season and $2 million in '10) are more reasonably priced and pitching well. Then again, each turns 40 later this year.

Perhaps the Reds could engage another club in a salary exchange, but they are more likely to move a pitcher such as Arroyo in the offseason.

Aaron Harang would be appealing were it not for his contract. (Jim McIsaac / Getty Images)

The good news is, their depth is starting to show.

The Reds just demoted right-handed reliever Josh Roenicke, who had a 2.92 ERA in 10 appearances, to make room for righty Jared Burton. Right-hander Homer Bailey and lefty Matt Maloney hold promise, and lefty Travis Wood is 9-3 with a 1.21 ERA at Class AA.

A Reds scout attended a game between the Angels' and Dodgers' low Class A affiliates Monday night — right-hander Ethan Martin, one of the Dodgers' top prospects, was scheduled to pitch. Both the Angels and Dodgers are actively seeking bullpen help, and the Dodgers also could use a starter.

I dont get where Rosenthal thinks Arroyo,Harang, and Cordero are too high priced for the Dodgers or Angels. They are in the 2nd largest market in the U.S. and their stadiums are full almost every night. Those organizations have $$ coming out of their ass.
 
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EDDIE GGGG27;1502203; said:
I dont get where Rosenthal thinks Arroyo,Harang, and Cordero are too high priced for the Dodgers or Angels. They are in the 2nd largest market in the U.S. and their stadiums are full almost every night. Those organizations have $$ coming out of their ass.
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Actually given that Moreno would have go give up a significant piece of their future to get Arroyo (it won't be Cordero and Harang is a non-entity at this point), he's going to want to keep him around, but Arroyo's price tag will likely prevent anything there.

And LA was haggling ManRam (pre-Roids) over what 3M per year in salary? Yeah, they have TONS of money to spend.....not.
 
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And LA was haggling ManRam (pre-Roids) over what 3M per year in salary? Yeah, they have TONS of money to spend.....not.[/quote]

That was only because they were the only team giving him an offer. There was no need for them to offer the extra $$. Btw, the Dodgers brought in $211 mil in revenue last year. I think they have room to add on a few dollars to their salary.
 
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