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Reds Tidbits (2006 Season)

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I think that the panic had just set in that they didn't have a fifth pitcher for the rotation heading into the season and really needed to make something happen. Paul Wilson apparently won't be ready (although I am not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing), and the two guys they were hoping to jump up and take the fifth spot, Gosling and Germano, have both been getting rocked. I don't mind the deal but agree that they probably could have done a little better.
 
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bearonu said:
Wily Mo just got dealt to the Red Sox for Bronson Arroyo and cash. Here is a link from Boston.com, ESPin has it as well.


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/

Wily Mo to the Sox for Arroyo
The Red Sox have traded Bronson Arroyo to the Reds in exchange for outfielder Wily Mo Pena, the Globe's Chris Snow has confirmed. Both Foxsports.com and the Boston Herald reported Monday that the Red Sox have had discussions with the Reds about trading for the right-handed outfielder. According to Foxsports.com's Ken Rosenthal, one of the Reds' top scouts watched Arroyo pitch against the Orioles on Sunday (he pitched five scoreless innings). The 24-year-old Pena had 19 homers in just 99 games last season, and has averaged a homer every 16.2 at bats. He hit .291 against lefties last season, and the Sox could theoretically use him in a platoon role with Trot Nixon (who struggles against lefties) in right field.
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I'm about done with this team.

What a fucking disaster trade.

Another average-at-best #3 or #4 type pitcher with no upside. We need more of those like Custer needed more fucking Indians.

We give up a 24 year old power hitter with almost unlimited upside who's early career numbers surpass Sosa's at the same age. Pena is young, cheap, talented and was getting ready to show everyone what he had with a full season in LF and 500-600 AB's.

Instead we now have Scott F Hatteberg as our regular 1st baseman and Bronson F Arroyo in the rotation. We just got older and less talented.

Fucking brilliant. And to think I was excited about a new GM and owner. Nothing ever changes with this sad sack organization.

Its been 16 years since the last WS appearance and this team shows no signs of even wanting to get better, much less being capable of getting better. I think 16 years is reaching the point when fans can become FA's without the stigma of bandwagon jumping. This is just devastating.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I'm about done with this team.

What a fucking disaster trade.

Another average-at-best #3 or #4 type pitcher with no upside. We need more of those like Custer needed more fucking Indians.

We give up a 24 year old power hitter with almost unlimited upside who's early career numbers surpass Sosa's at the same age. Pena is young, cheap, talented and was getting ready to show everyone what he had with a full season in LF and 500-600 AB's.

Instead we now have Scott F Hatteberg as our regular 1st baseman and Bronson F Arroyo in the rotation. We just got older and less talented.

Fucking brilliant. And to think I was excited about a new GM and owner. Nothing ever changes with this sad sack organization.

Its been 16 years since the last WS appearance and this team shows no signs of even wanting to get better, much less being capable of getting better. I think 16 years is reaching the point when fans can become FA's without the stigma of bandwagon jumping. This is just devastating.
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Don't know if mods are on this board to give awards, but if so can someone give Jax one.

I don't know how they can give a guy with that much potential for a guy that is a #3 or 4. We need a Ace or number 2.
 
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cincy

3/21/06

A proven starter

Arroyo move also solidifies defense

BY JOHN FAY | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER

<!--ARTICLE BODY TEXT-->SARASOTA, Fla. - The first trade of the Wayne Krivsky/Bob Castellini era could be viewed as risky.

When Krivsky, the Reds general manager, sent outfielder Wily Mo Peña to the Boston Red Sox in exchange for pitcher Bronson Arroyo and cash, he traded a player who could blossom into one of the game's premier sluggers.

"I can't worry about that," Krivsky said. "We're better with Arroyo in the rotation, and Adam Dunn in left field."

It's hard to argue with that. The players see it that way.

"You hate to give up Wily Mo," Dunn said. "But it's for someone proven. This makes us better now."

That's the message management is sending: We're trying to win now.

All you have to do is look at the first trade Dan O'Brien made as general manager three years ago to see there's a philosophical change. O'Brien sent a proven big-league pitcher, Chris Reitsma, to Atlanta for two prospects, Bubba Nelson and Jung Keun Bong. Nelson was recently released; Bong has little chance of making the club.

Arroyo, a 29-year-old right-hander, likely will be in the rotation for at least the next three years. He signed a three-year, $11.5 million contract in January. The Reds got $1.5 million in Monday's deal.

Arroyo probably will go third in the rotation after Aaron Harang and Brandon Claussen. Dave Williams and Eric Milton will be the other starters.

With the Arroyo trade, Reds manager Jerry Narron confirmed speculation that's been brewing for weeks: The Reds plan to start the year without Paul Wilson in the rotation.

Dunn returns to left field, where he's played the last 4½ years. Scott Hatteberg becomes the first baseman.

Krivsky said the Peña-Arroyo trade developed over the last two or three days. That's roughly the time frame in which it became clear the Reds' starting pitching wasn't ready to contend.

Michael Gosling, the leading candidate to take Wilson's spot in the rotation, gave up 10 runs in Bradenton in 1/3 of an inning Saturday. That same day in Orlando, Williams gave up eight runs.

Those outings did not increase the urgency to make the deal, Krivsky said.

"I would have made the deal if we pitched two shutouts Saturday," he said.

Arroyo had a better year last year than any Reds pitcher. He was 14-10 with a 4.51 ERA. He pitched 2051/3 innings and led the Red Sox with 20 quality starts.

The Reds were 46-23 when they got a quality start - at least six innings pitched while giving up no more than three earned runs - last year.

"We got a solid major-league starter," Narron said. "He can throw any pitch over in any count."

The move is a major upgrade defensively for the Reds.

"Adam Dunn is better than Wily Mo in left," Narron said. "Hatteberg is better than Dunn at first."

The Reds set themselves up to make Monday's trade on Feb. 12, when they signed Hatteberg.

Hatteberg is a different hitter than Peña. Peña is all about power. Hatteberg has never hit more than 15 home runs in a season.

But Hatteberg makes contact and works the count. He's walked 432 times in his career and struck out 420 times.

"We're very fortunate to have him," Narron said. "I can't believe he was still available."

Hatteberg was an everyday player for the Oakland A's the last two years.

Hatteberg only hit .256, but he drove in one more run than Sean Casey (59 to 58) in 65 fewer at-bats in 2005.

He signed knowing he could end up as a bit player for the Reds. But he also was aware of the team's outfielder surplus.

"I knew that a trade was a possibility," he said. "Whether it happens or not, you never know. But that was part of the appeal of coming here."

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In his other life ...<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=storytext bgColor=#eeeeee>Bronson Arroyo released a CD last year called "Covering the Bases."

The album features cover songs by artists including Pearl Jam ("Black") and Alice in Chains ("Down In a Hole").

Writer Stephen King also contributed to the album.

Arroyo told Rolling Stone magazine, "the music I enjoy doesn't fit with how I feel about life. I'm a happy-go-lucky guy, but I listen to stuff that's dark, and it makes me feel good."

The album seems to be doing well. It averaged 4 out 5 stars in listener reviews posted on Amazon.com.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=storytext bgColor=#eeeeee>The Reds on Monday traded outfielder Wily Mo Peña to the Boston Red Sox for pitcher Bronson Arroyo. The move affects more than those two players; it impacts the entire team.

THE ROTATION

Getting Arroyo helps shore up a rotation that's struggling. Starter Paul Wilson is recovering from shoulder surgery and isn't expected to be ready when the season starts.

Starting candidate Michael Gosling gave up 10 runs in one-third of an inning on Saturday. That same day, Dave Williams gave up eight runs.

Arroyo was 14-10 with a 4.51 ERA last season. He pitched 2051/3 innings.

FIRST BASE/OUTFIELD

The trade means Adam Dunn returns to left field, and Scott Hatteberg takes over at first base. Reds manager Jerry Narron says the moves represent an upgrade at both positions.

THE LINEUP

The Reds exchange Peña's power for Hatteberg's consistency. Last season, Peña hit .254 with 51 RBI in 99 at bats. He had 19 home runs and 116 strikeouts. Hatteberg hit .256 with 59 RBI in 464 at bats. He struck out 54 times.

THE MESSAGE

In parting ways with Peña, the Reds are trading a player who could become one of the game's best sluggers. But GM Wayne Krivsky said he's worried about improving the Reds right now. This trade, Krivsky says, does that.
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I don't even know where to start.


Folks, Hatteberg is not a good 1st baseman.

He is not a good hitter.

The best insight I got from this article into the moronic nature of Jerry Narron(pronounced like moron) is that he is actually suprised the Hatteberg was availible.

Or in other words, Jerry Gump is suprised that no one else in MLB wants the guy. Jerry thinks he stole something that no one else even wants. Infuckingcredible.

As far as the "we're trying to win now" bullshit, I've heard this song before. It sucked then and it sucks now. Admit we're in total rebuild mode and go fucking do it.

Adding Bronson Arroyo to the staff while making Woe-mack and Hatteberg starters sure as fuck isn't going to win us a pennant. So essentially they are trying to get us all warm and fuzzy about winning 80 games vs 70.

The more things change the more they stay the same. Complete fucking idiots are still in charge, only the names have changed.
 
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You have to admit that we will be better defensively now, but that is the only good thing this did for us, and the k's will be down with Hatteberg in the lineup rather than Pena.

The bad thing about this trade is it did nothing for the future, which is what we need to be doing.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
You have to admit that we will be better defensively now, but that is the only good thing this did for us, and the k's will be down with Hatteberg in the lineup rather than Pena.
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I don't agree with either statement but even if I did and it were true, we aren't going to win a pennant with this team as it sits.

Pena could have had some serious trade value after a year with 500-600 AB's. Even if he had a bad year you could make a trade like this for him. You had absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain by waiting to trade Pena later.

All they did was pass on a chanch to hit a homerun with Pena's trade value later this year to add ML average type pitcher who isn't going to keep us from mediocrity no matter what he does.

We go from Dan O who could'nt pull the trigger on any trade to Krivisky who looks like he trades just for the sake of trading. Different styles but the same garbage results from where I'm sitting.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I don't agree with either statement but even if I did and it were true, we aren't going to win a pennant with this team as it sits.

Pena could have had some serious trade value after a year with 500-600 AB's. Even if he had a bad year you could make a trade like this for him. You had absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain by waiting to trade Pena later.

All they did was pass on a chanch to hit a homerun with Pena's trade value later this year to add ML average type pitcher who isn't going to keep us from mediocrity no matter what he does.

We go from Dan O who could'nt pull the trigger on any trade to Krivisky who looks like he trades just for the sake of trading. Different styles but the same garbage results from where I'm sitting.
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I agree that the trade was very stupid and we could of done much better if we would have waited, but We are better defensively b/c Hatteberg is better than Dunn at first and Dunn is better than Pena in LF. Just process of elimination.

As for the K's we all know that Pena would set the strikeout record over Dunn and Hatteberg doesnt strikeout that much.

I hate this trade as much as you, just trying to point out the minor positives in the deal. Also we wont have to put up with Wilson in the Rotation.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
As for the K's we all know that Pena would set the strikeout record over Dunn and Hatteberg doesnt strikeout that much.
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Pena would also OPS about 150 points higher and create more runs.

My point is that K's do not have a negative effect on scoring runs and scoring runs is all that matters offensively.

To put Scott Hattebergs prodigious lack of pop in perspective, Juan Castro had him in SLG last year by about 40 points. Juan-all-glove-no-stick-SS Castro.

Defensively Dunn is better than WMP in left but Hatteberg is awful at 1st. In fact he's so bad they had him DH last year even with his sub .700 OPS and Dan Johnson play 1B. No one puts a sub.700 OPS guy in the DH role for his bat.

There is no way to make Hatteberg as your starting 1B a good thing.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Pena would also OPS about 150 points higher and create more runs.

My point is that K's do not have a negative effect on scoring runs and scoring runs is all that matters offensively.

To put Scott Hattebergs prodigious lack of pop in perspective, Juan Castro had him in SLG last year by about 40 points. Juan-all-glove-no-stick-SS Castro.

Defensively Dunn is better than WMP in left but Hatteberg is awful at 1st. In fact he's so bad they had him DH last year even with his sub .700 OPS and Dan Johnson play 1B. No one puts a sub.700 OPS guy in the DH role for his bat.

There is no way to make Hatteberg as your starting 1B a good thing.
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Ok after reading this and reading his 2005 bio, he really sucked. His lost his job by the number of errors he had. There goes the idea he is a good first baseman.:!

And he had his worst season he has ever had offensively last year. Maybe it was due to his benching, I dunno, but I hope we groom a outfielder so we can move Dunn to first soon, b/c it sure sounds like we are going to need too.

Any idea on this new catcher we picked up from the Padres. Would we really keep 3 cathers on the squad??
 
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Cincy

3/22/06

Reds acquire Ross

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

<!--ARTICLE BODY TEXT-->SARASOTA, Fla. – The Cincinnati Reds acquired catcher David Ross on Tuesday in a trade with the San Diego Padres for right-handed pitcher Bobby Basham.

The 29-year-old Ross batted a combined .240 with three homers and 15 RBIs in 15 games for Pittsburgh and San Diego last season. He has also played for the Los Angeles Dodgers.

This spring, Ross was batting .529 (9-for-17) with three homers and seven RBIs.

Basham, a seventh-round pick in 2001, went 22-22 with a 3.55 ERA in 57 minor league games over the past four years.

To make room for Ross, the Reds designated right-hander Jason Standridge for assignment.
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