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Recruiting around the Big Ten

jwinslow;2102359; said:
Someone do an advanced search by post for burton with osubucks22 as tge username.

When mike adams dominated all week in San Antonio, Burton's absurd excuses and #19 OT ranking was finally history.

Lots to read through but this starts with the Steve Hare argument. Pretty sure this is the right thread.

Here
 
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Yup that is the one. Some highlights... though I am leaving out the hare comments, worth reading
RB07OSU;870312; said:
I think this is the biggest issue with Rivals period...if a prospect is from the south or seems very interested in southern schools, they will get ranked higher. Mike Adams was in one of your features on AMP early on as a top 5 OL in the country...then 3 weeks later, Burton comes out with some BS about Adams not even being in the top 100 and lists all his reasons why. It's pure contradiction and makes no sense...I have no idea if you had any hand in that, but it just pisses off our fanbase when stuff like that happens. You say you don't think Rudolph is the top player in Ohio and yet you still think Sanders is better than Adams...who is the top player in Ohio then? All the Ohio experts almost unanimously have Adams as #1. It seems like this for us OSU fans...Adams had offers from all over the country but choose to only look at a couple schools, mainly in the midwest. The whole time everyone knew Adams would go to OSU and he made that official early on...it's a lot harder to sell subscriptions rating a guy who everyone already knows where he is going, even if you know he ought to be higher. Also, people have already tried to address Burton about Adams being ripped off and he simply deleted their posts (some of them weren't even OSU fans)...seems like he was worried about his rep quite a bit and wouldn't hear reason. One of the reasons you list as Sanders being higher is aggression...are you kidding me? Adams is constantly running downfield just looking for someone to maul and is always active. In fact, the word around on Sanders as to why he doesn't have particular offers from OSU and a couple others is that he is too soft...I will agree he has a good frame, reach, and upside, but I don't think he is nearly aggressive enough. I just think the problem is that you won't be able to make much of an arguement as to why you ranked Sanders ahead of Adams just because there really is no arguement to state...Adams is the better player as of now, plain and simple. Not to mention the arguements previously stated were proven to be flawed, such as the coach from Miami offering and OSU not having as many OL drafted as Miami in higher rounds (or period), so it makes it hard to listen to you. In summary...Rivals has a horrible southern bias and while I think most would agree that the south puts out more overall talent than the midwest (lately anyways), sometimes players flat out get ripped off because of this. If Adams would have showed USC and some southern schools more interest, he would be a 5 star prospect.


wadc45;962184; said:
I don't hold Cissoko's height against him...he is a top 20 player in my eyes, if not top 10.

Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Several make moves in position rankings

Furthering their ineptitude this year...

Pryor is still the #1 dual-threat QB.

Posey is the #3 WR.
Floyd is the #11 WR.
Jarboe is the #18 WR.
Tate is the #19 WR.
Scott is the #28 WR.

Stoneburner is the #5 TE.
DiLillo is the #27 TE.

Brewster is the #2 OT.
Shugarts is the #10 OT.
Adams is the #12 OT.

Jenkins is the #4 OG.

Defense coming tomorrow...I thought the Rivals250 and Rivals100 were awful but these position rankings are just deplorable...and not just when it comes to OSU recruits. Rodriguez Wilks as the #75 WR in the country? With offers from OSU, Tennessee, Florida, etc.? C'mon. Brewster rated as a tackle? Shaw rated as a tackle? Fauria rated as a tackle? Koehler rated as a guard? Just awful. Looking at the rankings for RBs vs. all-purpose backs just goes to show that I think most of the time they just throw a kid in a category based on his measurables. If he is under 5-9 or under 180 lbs. they put him in the APB category.

I am thisclose to not posting anymore Rivals rankings this year...that's how bad they are...now on to some rankings by some people who aren't certifiably crazy.

Scout.com: Updated East 100

By Lichtenfels...of note:

#1 Terrelle Pryor
#5 Shayne Hale
#7 Josh Jenkins
#12 Kenny Tate
#14 Andrew Sweat (Yancich at #28)
#32 Cam Saddler
#33 Lamar Thomas (maybe the only one I think is way too low)
#61 Kyle Long






tsteele316;954387; said:
to an inquiry made earlier, rivals sent 2 guys to watch adams in person this year. both said that he was top 100 material.

however, apparently based upon the revie of his film by others he was not.

mind you, this is comical in that there has been no new film since the last update, yet he dropped in the rankings despite playing well enough that those who saw him in person thought he was quite worthy.

comical.
 
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jwinslow;2102351; said:
I do not think anyone gets it truly right, but in my experience they are much more involved in covering, scouting and evaluating midwest talent, particularly around us.

My guess is that Rivals might cover the state a lot better if they had better numbers to serve. Rivals is way behind in subscribers and coverage of OSU and UM recruits and teams. They may even be third behind Bucknuts. I do not know the PSU sites as well but scout seems to be much larger.

The bobby burton fiascos in consecutive years really opened my eyes to how they rank kids in the midwest. There will always be differences of opinion from amateurs commenting on the targets of college staffs. They should not let one guy defy an entire network, especially when said network of scouts loves a prospect and just nominated him as a potential five star. Coming along and declaring that you - aka bobby burton - watched two full games and never saw him block anyone is absurd.


I am not sure that Nebraska's class should be ninth. I do not think that a 3-6 man haul of non 3 stars represents a quality class, but I know very little about them individually. I think guys like peat were needed down the stretch to be a third quality class.

I guess that maybe since Nebraska is new to the B1G, and hasn't previously had much focus on B1G country for recruiting, is why I've tended to follow - and believe - Rivals and 247sports a lot more than Scout. I'll even suggest that maybe Scout emphasizes that region a little TOO much. As you say, a 3-6 man haul of non 3-stars would not represent a quality class - I agree, and note that according to BOTH Rivals and 247sports, we don't have a SINGLE recruit who is lower than 3 stars. By the same comparison, Rivals has us with 6**** and 247sports has 5**** but Scout only has us with 3.

In terms of pure "quality" or star average, Rivals has us 19th (3rd in the B1G), 247sports has us 18th (3rd in the B1G), while Scout has us 30th (5th in the B1G). So is Top-20 by 2 of the three services in pure "quality" good enough to be "a third quality class" in your opinion? I say yes, but obviously that's open to interpretation.
 
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Looks like the burton nonsense was earlier in the thread
tsteele316;811072; said:
this made it's way to the free board, so it's no longer premium content. but, apparently a big stink was made over the mike adams situation on the rivals main board, and not just by osu fans. bobby burton came out and said while others involved wanted him on the list, he personally vetoed the suggestion and trumped wallace and crabtree.

he then locked and closed all threads in which adams' name was brought up thereafter.
The more I go back and look at the lists, the more I realize I do not have that much of a beef with them outside of ohio. Obviously that is a deal breaker, but retroactively their non ohio rankings are not that bad.
 
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DallasHusker;2102431; said:
I guess that maybe since Nebraska is new to the B1G, and hasn't previously had much focus on B1G country for recruiting, is why I've tended to follow - and believe - Rivals and 247sports a lot more than Scout. I'll even suggest that maybe Scout emphasizes that region a little TOO much. As you say, a 3-6 man haul of non 3-stars would not represent a quality class - I agree, and note that according to BOTH Rivals and 247sports, we don't have a SINGLE recruit who is lower than 3 stars. By the same comparison, Rivals has us with 6**** and 247sports has 5**** but Scout only has us with 3.

In terms of pure "quality" or star average, Rivals has us 19th (3rd in the B1G), 247sports has us 18th (3rd in the B1G), while Scout has us 30th (5th in the B1G). So is Top-20 by 2 of the three services in pure "quality" good enough to be "a third quality class" in your opinion? I say yes, but obviously that's open to interpretation.

All scouting service rankings are crummy, lazy and agenda driven to a large degree.

The best way to go is just pick whichever service ranks the player committed to your school higher and go with them as the most reliable... case by case, of course. :lol:
 
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I know it's still early, but the B1G is MUCH improved recruiting thus far in the season.

Per Scout, the B1G is the 2nd best conference in recruiting: per avg rank of school's class, per quality of recruit, in # of 4* committments, in # of top 100 players, and overall. What makes this even more impressive is that the B1G is 4th in average # of players committed per school, so they are doing this despite having fewer numbers of players committed compared to other conferences.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&view=2&yr=2014As of right now, 6 schools in the top 25, 8 schools in the top 35. The big surprise early on is Minnesota, which currently has the 3rd best star average per recruit (3.40). Also, Northwestern is quietly putting together one of their best recruiting classes ever.

If I had to guess what prompted this change, I have a feeling it has a lot to do with the challenge Urban Meyer has put forth on the conference. It has brought everyone's game up. Still not where we want the conference to be yet from a recruiting stand-point, but this seems to be a big step in the right direction.
 
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BuckTwenty;2347817; said:
I know it's still early, but the B1G is MUCH improved recruiting thus far in the season.

Per Scout, the B1G is the 2nd best conference in recruiting: per avg rank of school's class, per quality of recruit, in # of 4* committments, in # of top 100 players, and overall. What makes this even more impressive is that the B1G is 4th in average # of players committed per school, so they are doing this despite having fewer numbers of players committed compared to other conferences.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&view=2&yr=2014As of right now, 6 schools in the top 25, 8 schools in the top 35. The big surprise early on is Minnesota, which currently has the 3rd best star average per recruit (3.40). Also, Northwestern is quietly putting together one of their best recruiting classes ever.

If I had to guess what prompted this change, I have a feeling it has a lot to do with the challenge Urban Meyer has put forth on the conference. It has brought everyone's game up. Still not where we want the conference to be yet from a recruiting stand-point, but this seems to be a big step in the right direction.

Still hate to see the way UK and Tenn are invading Ohio for all that 2nd tier (but VERY good) talent that usually fills the rosters of the B10... that is a trend I would like to see reversed.
 
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BuckTwenty;2347817; said:
I know it's still early, but the B1G is MUCH improved recruiting thus far in the season.

Per Scout, the B1G is the 2nd best conference in recruiting: per avg rank of school's class, per quality of recruit, in # of 4* committments, in # of top 100 players, and overall. What makes this even more impressive is that the B1G is 4th in average # of players committed per school, so they are doing this despite having fewer numbers of players committed compared to other conferences.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&view=2&yr=2014As of right now, 6 schools in the top 25, 8 schools in the top 35. The big surprise early on is Minnesota, which currently has the 3rd best star average per recruit (3.40). Also, Northwestern is quietly putting together one of their best recruiting classes ever.

If I had to guess what prompted this change, I have a feeling it has a lot to do with the challenge Urban Meyer has put forth on the conference. It has brought everyone's game up. Still not where we want the conference to be yet from a recruiting stand-point, but this seems to be a big step in the right direction.
That is good to see. I can say that Wisconsin is about 15 spots higher than where they usually are (anywhere from 40-50 nationally).
 
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It was good to see two recruits choose Big Ten schools over the Gators today. Florida OL Delroy Baker chose Indiana over UF, and Florida OL Denzel Ward chose Purdue over them (and us, I guess). Time will tell if these commitments stick, but this is good movement in the right direction.
 
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rampageripster;2347830; said:
Still hate to see the way UK and Tenn are invading Ohio for all that 2nd tier (but VERY good) talent that usually fills the rosters of the B10... that is a trend I would like to see reversed.

I'm with you on this. It's actually pretty impressive that the Big10 is looking so good overall considering the failure in Ohio so far this year.
 
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rampageripster;2347907; said:
Letting the second tier go to the SEC... that is usually prime recruiting ground for teams like MSU, Illinois, NW, etc...

Well I guess I fail to see the "failure" part of it. The rest of the BIG is having a good recruiting year and we won't be playing against as many Ohio kids with super powers and chips on their shoulders.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEBbJlN4k9A"]Big Ten Football 2013 Hype Video - YouTube[/ame]
 
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I have to admit you have a point about the Ohio recruits going to Kentucky instead of Wisky and MSU, and then playing against OSU with a chip on their shoulders.

With the way the Big10 has been attacked by the media and our lackluster performance in bowl games, I'd still rather have the 2nd tier go to Big10 schools than an SEC school.
 
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rampageripster;2347830; said:
Still hate to see the way UK and Tenn are invading Ohio for all that 2nd tier (but VERY good) talent that usually fills the rosters of the B10... that is a trend I would like to see reversed.

Agreed, hate to see ohio kids being okay with going to those "schools" and missing out on a chance for a solid education. I would think going to real schools would be an even greater focus for those not pinned as elite as the nfl is an even greater dream in all likely hood.
 
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