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RB Roderick Smith (Official Thread)

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It's amazing to me how many guys are willing to throw away a scholarship, playing time, and/or a pro career to smoke a plant, take a pill, snort powder up their nose, etc.

I do volunteer mentoring, and that takes me to juvenile detention facilities, jails, and prisons. I see two types of boys/men there: 1) those who have been generally good at not being caught, but slipped up once 2) those who are terrible at being crimminals - who get caught constantly - but who keep doing it. You can understand the first types: they had never been caught, so their experience told them they wouldn't be. But those 2nd types are the hard ones to figure out. No matter how many times, or how much, they suffer, they keep thinking and acting the same way. It's more like they can't do anything different rather than that they refuse to.

Sounds like Rod has that 2nd type of problem, and unfortunately, the future is not too bright for those guys in my experience, but occasionally you see a guy who finally gets it before it costs him his life or freedom. I hope Rod is one of those guys.

Eddie George's body and potential ruined by a mind and character that couldn't express his talent to the fullest. Shame.
 
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OhioState001 said:
I believe you have to fail 4 drug tests before you get kicked off the team.
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Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like two too many. IMO, the first test should bring mandatory counseling and a probationary period of one calendar year which includes mandatory weekly tests (in addition to the regular, random testing). A second positive would get you booted.
 
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AJHawkfan said:
Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like two too many. IMO, the first test should bring mandatory counseling and a probationary period of one calendar year which includes mandatory weekly tests (in addition to the regular, random testing). A second positive would get you booted.
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We have tons of people in jail and prison - which makes it look like we are tough on criminals. And the principles of our justice system leak into other areas such as schools and sports - because our justice system reflects society's values regarding right/wrong, punishment vs. rehabilitation, 2nd/3rd/4th chances, what "appropriate" punishment is, and other things.

Our juvenile justice system is built on assistance and rehabilitation. Wayward kids get mental evaluations, counselling, mentoring, and the like first, often with some probation to allow the court to monitor how they are doing. As long as their offences are not violent, chronic offenders may see the judge a half or dozen times before they see the inside of a detention facility - which is the ultimate thing that court can do short of sending them to big boy court.

We do an accelerated version of the same thing in big boy court. First time non-violent offenders are usually given probation and modest fines - so you get what almost amounts to a freebie. As the crimes mount, judges start handing out increasingly harsh sentences, leading to habitual offenders getting decades of sentences and returning for more.

It can be argued that are prisons are full because we are failing to be tough on criminals - which is creating more habitual offenders.

We see this reflected in how the NCAA and schools treat drug use. They want to help the user and not ruin their future, so there is a step-up process used in addressing the violation. Each repeat violation results in modest step-ups in sanctions, and lessens the number of chances one has left. It leaves the question, if an athlete knows that 2 positive drug tests means they go home, would that be effective in causing them to fall into line with the rules at the earliest opportunity? And is giving 4 chances creating more people who are willing to hold on to their drug use?

We have eliminated deterance as a value in our justice system because it conflicts with our values of rehabilitation and 2nd chances. Also, the more brutal the punishment, the better the deterance factor - but we don't like brutality. For example, in countries where they cut hands off for stealing, there aren't as many thieves, but that's not who we want to be. But having seen this problem from little boys up to grown men, I think we need to re-evaluate what we are doing in juvenile court. We need to inflict sufficient "pain" (consequences) to give these kids a chance to change their approach to life early on and avoid becoming habitual offenders.

So, we need to find a way to put a real deterant factor into the athlete drug problem - or we will continue to have Rod Smiths.
 
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No longer a rumor, sadly.

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OhioState001 said:
I believe you have to fail 4 drug tests before you get kicked off the team. Words can not describe the stupidity of continuing to do drugs and risking a full ride scholarship. Don't give me the marijuana argument.
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I thought the B1G had a 2-and-gone policy (see Noah Spence). First offence is a year suspension and second offense is a permanent suspension. So, I don't know where you'd get the 4-chance info...
 
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Well, this article says it's 3 and gone:

According to OSU’s student-athlete handbook, a “third positive drug test and/or substance abuse occurrence” results in a suspension “from all Department of Athletics functions for a minimum of one calendar year.” The same guidelines call for the loss of “all remaining eligibility and loss of athletic grant-in-aid” following a second positive drug test for performance-enhancing drugs or anabolic steroids.

Entire article: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...drug-test-led-to-osus-dismissal-of-rod-smith/
 
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