buckeyeboy said:
First, I don't know where you get your numbers, b/c Hart had 1455 yards rushing in 2004. Therefore, I think you're the one who needs to get the numbers right, not me.
I stand corrected on Mike Hart's numbers. The website I looked it up on omitted some games for some reason. 1455 on 282 carries. So you really got me with that one. Hart had 218 more yds than Clarett with 61 more carries. Completely eclipsed him.
Let's do the math again... 61 more carries x 5.6 yds. per (once again very conservative considering who he was injured against.) = 342 yds. + 1237 = 1579 yds. (Thats what I meant by your numbers.) You can't take away from someone's abilities because of the system he is in. Hart was the only guy that carried the ball for scUM. Maurice also had 18 total tds, Hart had 10.
Mike Hart
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Plus the Rose Bowl... 21 for 83
buckeyeboy said:
Second, as far as your comment that someone else would have picked Clarett in the 4th round if Shanahan didn't in the fourth, then you must know something more than all the expert analysts and NFL coaches who were all saying that Clarett was a sixth or seventh round pick.
Obviously all the "experts" you take such high stock in were WRONG. Oakland wanted him in the 4th. (and are wrong every year about where someone will go.) See Willis McGahee. A lot of "experts" said he would be a second day pick. Oops first rounder.
The "experts" you speak of also thought he would slip because he was out of football so long. Not because of his attitude.
buckeyeboy said:
Finally, you did get one thing right -- I would love Clarett if he would have kept his head on straight, would have played for us for two more years, and won a Heisman and brought another NC to tOSU. However, the whole reason that I don't like him is that he got greedy and took every chance he could get to drag the Buckeye name through the mud, all to increase his own draft stock (notice I am not even close to being the only one who thinks this way -- merely check out the rest of this thread). Your argument is absurd b/c it's tantamount to saying, "If person X didn't do a bunch of bad things, you'd think he's a good guy." Well of course -- what you don't realize is that doing bad things causes everyone to think he's a bad guy.
So "everyone" thinks Cris Carter is an ass? How about Robert Smith? Albert Dukes? Troy Smith? Art Schlichter? Shall I go on?
Listen dude... you have your opinion and I have mine. Do you know exactly what happened while he was at OSU? No... neither do I. Do you think Andy Geiger told everyone the 100% truth about what happened? I hope you don't. Do I think that athletes at almost every school get a lot of what Clarett said he got? Most definately. We got caught and I really don't believe that AG would stand up in front of the media and say, sure we gave him a car, a job he didn't have to be at, and A's in classes he slept through. Not gonna happen even if it was true.
I am not by any means giving MoC a free ticket. As I said before he did make some mistakes and bad decisions. But so did some high up people at OSU. How many and to what degree, I don't know and neither does anyone else here. We all have different opinions on what happened. Who you believe is up to you but it does not make it true.
Bottom line is Maurice has paid for his mistakes. He will continue to literally pay for them with the decreased salary he will receive. Let it go...