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RB Brandon "Zoom" Saine (official thread)

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zincfinger;1147142; said:
Perhaps this belongs in the "Speed" thread, but the notion that "you can't teach speed" is not false. Sure, you can tweak speed a little bit, hence the presence of a speed coach. Guys who are naturally fast can be helped to become a little faster. But in comparison to something like, say, the techniques of a given football position, speed is not something that can be picked up through practice. Guys who are great athletes but with little football-specific skill can be taught to become great football players. An example would be Antonio Gates, or heck, even Vernon Gholston (still a work in progress in that regard). But guys who are naturally slow-to-average cannot be taught to be really fast. In contrast to things which are actually learn-able, speed can only be improved marginally through practice.
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Tell that to Teddy Ginn. He was "slow" by his own admissions in the 4.8-4.9 range before he "learned" how to run. It is very possible to maximize your movement when running to in fact become faster. .2 of a second may not actually equate to much in life, but in terms of paycheck in the NFL, .2 of a second equals millions of dollars. I for one, would really like to "learn" that.
 
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But as mentioned by others above, Beanie also seemed to struggle a bit when he came off the bench into an offense that was better aligned to Pittman. Once Beanie became the featrured back with plays built more to his style (the toss sweep for example) he got in a rythym and has since flourished.
I hope we see that with Brandon as the two back "Pony" set develops and when he becomes the featured back.
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I disagree actually... I thought for coming in to spell Pittman as a freshman that beanie did very well. He still ran like he did last year IMO, and where Beanie/Saine differ is not in talent but in vision. Beanie as a freshman was able to slow things down and be patient more so than saine has been able to do. I beleive Beanie was still averaging over 5 yards per carry which is what he ran for this past year (5.8).

What I would like to see is this...

1) Beanie be used as the focal point
2) Brandon to be used as a dual threat reciever, and more of a quick pitch and just run GO with the ball type of back (no thinking or making him wait)
3) Have Boom as the primary back that spells Beanie. I think saine is by far more gifted than Boom, but I think Boom is the closest to being able to imulate what Beanie can do. IE run downhill, use his vision, and keep the clock moving.
4) I duno where MoW plays in here. i think zoom/boom are both too talented to keep off the bench. however I have a feeling that Boom is going to ride the bench for most of the year, but I really hope he doesn't because I'm telling you there's something bout him.
 
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bukIpower;1147471; said:
I disagree actually... I thought for coming in to spell Pittman as a freshman that beanie did very well. He still ran like he did last year IMO, and where Beanie/Saine differ is not in talent but in vision. Beanie as a freshman was able to slow things down and be patient more so than saine has been able to do. I beleive Beanie was still averaging over 5 yards per carry which is what he ran for this past year (5.8).

What I would like to see is this...

1) Beanie be used as the focal point
2) Brandon to be used as a dual threat reciever, and more of a quick pitch and just run GO with the ball type of back (no thinking or making him wait)
3) Have Boom as the primary back that spells Beanie. I think saine is by far more gifted than Boom, but I think Boom is the closest to being able to imulate what Beanie can do. IE run downhill, use his vision, and keep the clock moving.
4) I duno where MoW plays in here. i think zoom/boom are both too talented to keep off the bench. however I have a feeling that Boom is going to ride the bench for most of the year, but I really hope he doesn't because I'm telling you there's something bout him.
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True - overall he gained over 5 yards per carry for the season, but I was mostly referring to some of the rough spells his first year: 5-17 versus Texas, 5-18 versus Cinn, 5-11 verus PSU, 5-6 versus Bowling Green, 4-21 versus Illinois, and a fumbling problem. My only point was he did much better as the featured back last season and I think Saine may do the same someday - hope so anyhow.

I agree whole heartedly with your 4 points!
 
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Speedy sophomore running back looks for expanded role in 2008. Watch the video at the link above. Check back tomorrow for another camp spotlight Wednesday.

Brandon Saine
Sophomore Major: Business Administration
No. 3 Running Back
Height: 6-1 Weight: 217
High School: Piqua
Hometown: Piqua, Ohio

Buckeye Bits: Talented tailback who made a terrific first impression as a true freshman ... blessed with a combination of breakaway speed and power ... also a capable receiver.

2007 (Freshman): True freshman who rushed for 267 yards and two scores in 2007 ... 37-yard TD at Washington ... leading rusher (69 yards) and receiver (76) against Kent State ... team?s outstanding first-year player on offense.

High School: Ohio's 2006 Mr. Football after rushing for 1,895 yards and 27 touchdowns on 259 carries and totaling 412 yards on 30 pass receptions as a senior ... Parade All-American ... runs a 4.35 40-yard dash ... owned a 3.3 GPA.

Brandon Bits: Brandon was the Ohio 100- and 400-meter Div. I state track champion in high school ... he owns a dog named Shai, a husky ... his favorite "old school" TV show is the "Brady Bunch."

Quote Vault:
Read some of Brandon's comments after making his Ohio State debut vs. Youngstown State Sept. 1, 2007 ...

On his first carry
"I saw the hole and just went for it. It was amazing. I was trying to be cool, trying not to jump around and get too caught up in a crazy situation."

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On his playing time vs. YSU
"I thought I would play today, but I did not know for sure. I go with the first string sometimes in practice so I thought I would get in at some point. I just didn't know when."
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It seems like everyone is being a bit harsh on Saine. I was impressed with his freshman year, but the majority of posters seem to be writing in Boom as the backup to Wells. WTH? Is this based on the Spring Game alone? You really want to promote Herron over Saine because of a single performance in a single practice?

Saine had a fine freshman year, and I personally am rooting for him to solidify himself as the heir apparent in the backfield.
 
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Yertle;1228908; said:
It seems like everyone is being a bit harsh on Saine. I was impressed with his freshman year, but the majority of posters seem to be writing in Boom as the backup to Wells. WTH? Is this based on the Spring Game alone? You really want to promote Herron over Saine because of a single performance in a single practice?

Saine had a fine freshman year, and I personally am rooting for him to solidify himself as the heir apparent in the backfield.
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I don't understand it either, Herron hasn't touched the field yet and people are putting him ahead of Brandon.
 
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mine is a hunch. I've seen Saine, and I don't know if we expected too much or what? But, I for one was not overly impressed with his vision and his running style. Sure, his speed is awesome and Saine will definately contribute this year. However, I just feel after watchin Herron/Saine's HS tapes that Herron is the more fluent runner. The way Herron weaves through people looks more natural than when Saine does it. Saine to be 100% honest reminds me of a faster Sammy Maldanado in running style with better hands.

May the best man win, but I'd like to see what Herron can do as well.


Edit: I'm not sayin he's gonna end up having a poor career like Sammy but the way he runs reminds me of Sammy. Saine is still capable of hitting it big don't get me wrong boys!
 
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Sportsbuck28;1229018; said:
I don't understand it either, Herron hasn't touched the field yet and people are putting him ahead of Brandon.
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That's the nature of college football fans. There is always someone on the bench better than every starter who is just "waiting for his chance". In all reality. Herron and Saine are pretty evenly matched in overall skill but Saine gets the nod for experience.

Next year, having both will be huge when Beanie is taken by the Dolphins #1 overall.
 
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Is this from next year's Dolphins Jets game? Well, if it is, I have news for y'all. Henne doesn't throw any TD pass to Ginn. Sorry, but he's too busy getting steam rolled.

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Anyways, how does this have anything to do with Saine? The fact that people think Herron has proven himself past Saine is laughable, in my opinion. Nothing against Herron, but I can sit here and say that my 4-year old has excellent vision when we play in the back yard. Let's put him in the game. Saine ran for nearly 300 yards as a freshman. Herron was redshirted. You don't redshirt the better player so a lower quality true freshman can be an active backup. Well, maybe YOU do, but Jim Tressel doesn't. Saine will be a stud.
 
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Well I for one am probably the biggest "give Herron a shot" guy and I will say that I in no way think Herron is a more proven player. You're right, the only way to become proven is to play. So what, Saine got 300 yards? Sure he was injured and he was a freshman after all but I'm basing everything off of what I saw of their HS tapes. Not only did Herron display a more fluid running motion to me, but he also IMO faced stiffer competition.

It's interesting that Saine has been taking snaps as a reciever though. Thats one of three things that tells me. 1) Our Recievers aren't gettin it done (which isn't the case anymore) 2) Saine is just that Dangerous on the perimeter (VERY TRUE) or perhaps 3) Herron is the more talented between the tackle guy. I think its a combonation of 2/3 because of Herron's vision and cutback ability combined with Saine's talents as a reciever it may mean for more Herron and less Saine in the running department. Either way we're very fortunate to be discussing this! haha
 
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