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Raise your kid for religion or rivalry?

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Here's a pretty good response to a question about how to deal with the situation where your wife roots for your favorite team's biggest rival.

Anybody have similar stories involving tOSU/TSUN?

Would you rather switch your religious affiliation, or switch to TSUN?

My answer: It's like if she's a smoker; if she's a scUM fan, just move on right away - never allow yourself to get into this situation. But if somehow you do (which might possibly happen if she's a millionaire nympho), you gotta switch the religion thing, there's no room to move away from the Buckeyes!

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My first child was just born three weeks ago. I am a devout Roman Catholic and my wife is a Methodist. In regards to raising our daughter, she has agreed to join the church and raise our daughter as a Catholic. But with all good marriages, there is give and take. My wife and her family are Clemson all the way (my daughter already has a subscription to the Orange and White) and my family is entrenched with the SC Gamecocks. So I had to agree to let my wife and her family raise her as a Tiger. So you see, she could have been a protestant Gamecock. So my question is do you think I made a good deal? And do you think it is ok for me to use my fatherly influence when she gets older to tell her how much better it is to be a Gamecock? Just so you understand the situation, I love this woman so much that I have stroked a check two years in a row for Clemson season tickets and this absolutely kills me. I thought I could do it but I find myself stifling cheers for the other team as I sit in the stands. - Clif B.

A: You lost in the trade-off big time. So your version of how to pray to Jim Caviezel is more important than your Gamecock worship at the altar of Spurrier? She’ll ditch the religion when she hits college and realizes the wonders of sleeping in on Sunday after her first house party, but you’ve stuck her with your hated rival for life. There’s a special place in the afterlife for you. It’s not heaven, hell, or considering your Catholic upbringing, purgatory. It’s an all white room with a refrigerator with nothing but Pepsi, and a one channel TV that only gets WNBA games. However, considering you have a daughter, she’ll rebel against everything when she’s in her teens meaning it’s possible she'll abandon Clemson for South Carolina just to cheese off your wife. Maybe then your better half will let you borrow her pants.
 
Well, i'm a Christian mutt-baptized Orthodox, attended Methodist church thru HS, went to a Catholic HS, and now work at a Catholic HS and attend Catholic services when I go to church, so switching denominations wouldn't be a trauma for me.
That said, rooting for scUM would be like converting to Islam-not going to happen-ever. I'd quit watching college football if someone forced me to make a change like that.......
 
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Oraganized Religion cause MOST if not ALL the problems in our world!

Most wars are brought on by Religion and they are all enforced by each of the religions involved. They kill in the name of their god, how ironic! IMO do away with organized religion and the world would be a better place!
But regarding the UM part of this post...I wouldn't mind if my significant other rooting for the RIVAL...either way after it was all over I get even!!! I do have one Wolverine on my list conquests...she was a swimmer training with the UM swim team here in Hawai'i. Good times!
HAYN
 
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My wonderful wife graduated with OJ from the University of Spoiled Children. It only took one trip to the shoe for her to understand that real football excitement is more than a white horse and an annoying fight song. She a big buckeye fan and hopefully this fall I'll witness her joyous reaction after we kick a little Trojan behind in the Rose Bowl.

Hawaiian - Let me name a few wars and you tell me the ones that were fought in the name of religion. Independence, 1812, Spanish, Civil, W1, W11, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf and thats just for starters. Religion is about belief be it God, money or any other. Facts aren't a consideration, so let us not confuse religion with the conquest of power.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Am I the only one troubled that this dude is going to wait til his daughter grows up and then explain the joys of cock to his daughter? Sounds like a prison sentence in waiting to me.
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It is worse if he doesn't wait till she grows up.:yow1:
 
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Hawaiian - Let me name a few wars and you tell me the ones that were fought in the name of religion. Independence, 1812, Spanish, Civil, W1, W11, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf and thats just for starters. Religion is about belief be it God, money or any other. Facts aren't a consideration, so let us not confuse religion with the conquest of power.
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What if your belief is the conquest of power.

Banter aside, Hubrider, this is an easy question?

American Independence its continuation 1812 wasn't just about America and England. They were Pan-European wars with the Catholic powers siding against the Protestant powers.

Spanish-American war. Not much of a war because it didn't have religious hatred to fuel it. Or did it? Really this war was a direct result of the Spanish / Cuba civil war which was filled with blood and hatred. Spaniards, because of the Catholic background, had little to no respect for the indigenous cultures of their empire. Their stated mission was to convert the heathens. This cultural genocide is certainly a root cause of the severity of the Spanish/Cuban civil war that eventually lead to the Spanish / American war. Remember Fidel, we fought for you.

American Civil War. This one was a little harder for me. I see how the North had more Catholics than the South but I was stumped. Being a true technogeek I resorted to Google searches and found the book - "Religion and the American Civil War". The book review said "This new book opens new scholarly perspectives on the Civil War and shows how religious issues occupied center stage of the conflict that rested on fundamental issues of American self-definition and the emergence of a modern nation." I am enough of a geek to quote this book but I just don't care enough to faint knowledge past this point. I'll go with draw.

WWI was certainly cause by religious differences as much as anthing else. Europe was realigning based on nationalism which includes race and religion. The realignment was a rather bloody and messy affair as the old European empires fell and new nationalistic states grew.

WWII, so much like WWI it only gets its name incremented, continued the realignment of Europe based on nationalism. Perhaps you believe Hitler (and our ally Stalin) persecute the Jews for reasons other than their religion. I tend to think the genocide sweeping through both WWI and WWII (and still continuing in the Balkans today) is strong evidence of religious foundations for these wars.

Korea and Vietnam were proxy wars between Western powers and the Soviet block. In both cases, Asian countries were arbitrarily split in two by European countries and the wars were attempts to rejoin the countries. It's hard to categorize anti-communist wars as religious was because the communist are stated, radical atheists. However, if you consider atheism and alternate religious choice, fighting along religious line definitely existed.

Gulf war was a Jihad for the Muslim combatants so, by definition, a religious war. Boy, that was easy.

Score card time: (war / religious influence)
Revolutionary - yes
1812 - yes
Civil - maybe
Spanish American - yes
WWI - Yes
WWII - Yes
Korean - Yes
Vietnam - Yes
Gulf - most certainly yes

So almost every war in question had combatants divided along religious lines and/or citing religious rhetoric to support their stance in the war. Perhaps bad things happen when people abandon their faculties of reason and substitute other ideals of faith or conformity.

That being said I would like to conclude that Michigan sucks, go Bucks.
 
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smithlabs said:
What if your belief is the conquest of power.

Banter aside, Hubrider, this is an easy question?

American Independence its continuation 1812 wasn't just about America and England. They were Pan-European wars with the Catholic powers siding against the Protestant powers.

Spanish-American war. Not much of a war because it didn't have religious hatred to fuel it. Or did it? Really this war was a direct result of the Spanish / Cuba civil war which was filled with blood and hatred. Spaniards, because of the Catholic background, had little to no respect for the indigenous cultures of their empire. Their stated mission was to convert the heathens. This cultural genocide is certainly a root cause of the severity of the Spanish/Cuban civil war that eventually lead to the Spanish / American war. Remember Fidel, we fought for you.

American Civil War. This one was a little harder for me. I see how the North had more Catholics than the South but I was stumped. Being a true technogeek I resorted to Google searches and found the book - "Religion and the American Civil War". The book review said "This new book opens new scholarly perspectives on the Civil War and shows how religious issues occupied center stage of the conflict that rested on fundamental issues of American self-definition and the emergence of a modern nation." I am enough of a geek to quote this book but I just don't care enough to faint knowledge past this point. I'll go with draw.

WWI was certainly cause by religious differences as much as anthing else. Europe was realigning based on nationalism which includes race and religion. The realignment was a rather bloody and messy affair as the old European empires fell and new nationalistic states grew.

WWII, so much like WWI it only gets its name incremented, continued the realignment of Europe based on nationalism. Perhaps you believe Hitler (and our ally Stalin) persecute the Jews for reasons other than their religion. I tend to think the genocide sweeping through both WWI and WWII (and still continuing in the Balkans today) is strong evidence of religious foundations for these wars.

Korea and Vietnam were proxy wars between Western powers and the Soviet block. In both cases, Asian countries were arbitrarily split in two by European countries and the wars were attempts to rejoin the countries. It's hard to categorize anti-communist wars as religious was because the communist are stated, radical atheists. However, if you consider atheism and alternate religious choice, fighting along religious line definitely existed.

Gulf war was a Jihad for the Muslim combatants so, by definition, a religious war. Boy, that was easy.

Score card time: (war / religious influence)
Revolutionary - yes
1812 - yes
Civil - maybe
Spanish American - yes
WWI - Yes
WWII - Yes
Korean - Yes
Vietnam - Yes
Gulf - most certainly yes

So almost every war in question had combatants divided along religious lines and/or citing religious rhetoric to support their stance in the war. Perhaps bad things happen when people abandon their faculties of reason and substitute other ideals of faith or conformity.

That being said I would like to conclude that Michigan sucks, go Bucks.
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American Revolution-yes, France and Spain were both Catholic nations, but neither got involved until after Saratoga, when they saw a chance to inflict a defeat on England. Religion was not a factor-why would they help the overwhelmingly Protestant colonies? Only Maryland, Rhode Island, and Pennsylvania had official toleration for Catholicism. Not a religious war.

1812-Religion was not an issue. If anything, New England was severely divided from the South and Midwest on the issue of fighting the war against England-trade considerations. Again, not a religious war.

Civil War-The Southern Baptist Convention was established when the Baptists split in two over slavery. It truly was brother against brother-no religious splits. Jews served in both armies-Judah Benjamin of Louisiana was the Confederate VP. Again, Biblical justification for or against slavery aside-both sides shared a common religious faith-it was other issues that split them. Not a religious war.

Spanish American War-we freed/took possesion of 2 Catholic countries-Cuba and the Philippines from a Catholic Empire-Spain. The religious sensibilites of
neither nation changed as a result. Not a religious war.

WWI-A mixed Christian nation-Germany-fought w/ a predominantly Catholic nation-Austria Hungary-and a Muslim Empire-the Turks-against Protestant-England, mixed Christian+Jewish-USA, Catholic-France, and Orthodox-Russia nations. Hardly a lineup of vested religious interests. Also, TE Lawrence led the militantly islamic tribes of Arabia in a revolt against their Muslim overlords, the Ottomans. Again, please demonstrate how religious differences outweighed national geo-political interests in the start of this war.

WWII-Hitler was a pagan/NewAger. Nazism had spotty relations at best w/ the Christian churches in Germnay. The Japanese leadership practiced a militant form of Shintoism. While technically religions, the militaristic fascism practiced by The Nazi and Japanese regimes was extreme nationalism at it's worst. One could not "convert" and become a Nazi or a Japanese emperor worshipper-you were a member by your nationality. Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism,etc. all allow for conversion, indeed encourage it. The primary combatants in WWII did not. Not a religious war.

Korea/Vietnam-both wars involved communist nationalists vs. Buddhist/Christian nations based on capitalism and individual freedom-we can debate Syngman Rhee and the South Vietnamese leadership later. Bottom line- Koreans and Vietnamese of radically different religious beliefs fought w/ Americans against communist nationalists. The imposition of religious faith was not a priority for any of the combatants-the imposition of political/economic will was. Not a religious war.

Iraq-I'll give you this one, even though Saddam was militantly secular-just ask the hundreds of Shi'ite clerics he murdered during his rule....

Bottom line-you attempts to equate these wars as some kind of modern day crusades/religiously inspired events does nothing more than convey a contempt for religion rather than critical historical analysis.

Mods-maybe move this thread to the poltics forum......
 
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stxbuck said:
Mods-maybe move this thread to the poltics forum......
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I whole heartidly agree with you on that point. Perhaps if the thread gets moved I'll respond but this just isn't fun enough to drag through on the football board. Perhaps just spliting (or deleting) the side chatter that I was party to would be sufficient. Nothing like religion or politics to split groups into two.
 
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Bigger question:

Who the hell writes Pete Fiutak for advise on child rearing? Isn't that like asking Dr. Phil for advise on who to drop $500 bucks on in the NHL finals?

If he let his wife decide what school to pressure the child into supporting, he has already lost control of his home. He likely lost it the minute he got married just like the rest of us married men. He just hasn't come to terms with it yet.
 
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