QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[Dryden]

I wouldn't go that far. I don't know if it was the potential money he could be making in the NFL or if it was to save OSU from harsher penalties as to why he left.....but he could have spoken to the NCAA if he wanted to, and he didn't.

I think it's obvious he was worried Roger Goddell would rule him ineligible for the NFL for four years if he talked any further.

 

[IronBuckI]

I wouldn't go that far. I don't know if it was the potential money he could be making in the NFL or if it was to save OSU from harsher penalties as to why he left.....but he could have spoken to the NCAA if he wanted to, and he didn't.

Not everyone agrees with that statement. I don't know who to trust on this issue, but we did get hit harder than just about everyone in the University thought we would, and many believe that TP talking was the reason behind that.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Not everyone agrees with that statement. I don't know who to trust on this issue, but we did get hit harder than Gene Smith thought we would, and many believe that TP talking was the reason behind that.

FIFY

this is key to note... I firmly believe it TP had talked more.... this would have been much much worse.

 

[IronBuckI]

FIFY

this is key to note... I firmly believe it TP had talked more.... this would have been much much worse.

Yet, TP was exiled from tOSU and Gene Smith is still there.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Yet, TP was exiled from tOSU and Gene Smith is still there.

:topic: to my dismay yes. check the Gene thread. its been posted by UF (check the yahoo thread) that he ignored the recommendations for penalties proposed by the consulting group OSU(he) hired. TP may have gotten the ball rolling on this crap, but he's not the sole reason we got punished the way we did, many others share in that as well. However I stick by my original statement, TP could have talked more IMHO and the penalties would have been worse.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

FIFY

this is key to note... I firmly believe it TP had talked more.... this would have been much much worse.

So we look down our nose at the code of omerta that protects places like Auburn but find it ok--possibly even admirable--in one of our own.

If TP didn't fully come clean, this is not a good thing and says much about his character since I have little doubt that it was done with an eye towards protecting no one other than himself.

The only thing that I wanted was a complete and full disclosure of what went down within the football program. If that meant worse penalties so be it.

 

[IronBuckI]

Like I said before. I don't know who to believe in all of this, but, based on what I've heard from people that have had frequent contact with TP, I'm more inclined to believe what RB07OSU said. Since that's what I believe, I wouldn't put talking (a lot) to the NCAA past him.

I won't be bashing players, no matter what I think of them, so I won't be posting in this thread again. I don't know what compelled me to read and respond in this thread today, but it was the first time in a long time that I've even opened the TP thread, and it will probably be a very long time before I make that mistake again. I know that my input will be missed.

 

[Tanner]

The vitriol some fans have for Pryor is just strange to me. I think it's shameful college football players don't get compensated more than they do and so I never hold it against players when they accept things or take money etc, but even if you disagree with that:

1. It's not like Pryor was a terrible person. He wasn't harming women or being violent to other people around campus, he wasn't stealing from people. So he had a big ego. Is this what it's come to? Criticizing superstar recruit/ athletes for maybe lacking the proper perspective? Good grief.

2. College kids make mistakes. They don't think hard enough about what they are doing sometimes. It's the job of the people in charge of the programs---a job all college football coaches say they take very seriously---to help kids not make as many mistakes as they might and face up to the ones they do. And I think it's fair to say there was a pretty big leadership void at times from the people above Pryor, but for some reason Pryor takes the brunt of the shame from a lot of people for what happened.

Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[3074326]

1. It's not like Pryor was a terrible person. He wasn't harming women or being violent to other people around campus, he wasn't stealing from people. So he had a big ego. Is this what it's come to? Criticizing superstar recruit/ athletes for maybe lacking the proper perspective? Good grief.

He is no longer a recruit. He's an adult. He just said this stuff. He now should have perspective.. he was claiming to be a victim when he was rolling around in a 350z and spending plenty of money around campus from many accounts.

2. College kids make mistakes. They don't think hard enough about what they are doing sometimes. It's the job of the people in charge of the programs---a job all college football coaches say they take very seriously---to help kids not make as many mistakes as they might and face up to the ones they do. And I think it's fair to say there was a pretty big leadership void at times from the people above Pryor, but for some reason Pryor takes the brunt of the shame from a lot of people for what happened.

Doesn't make sense to me.

The problem is that he didn't really acknowledge any mistakes. He still thinks what he did was right. A university was put on probation, banned from a bowl game this year, and his coach was fired. He still doesn't really see the big deal with what he did. I would find this hilarious if OSU weren't the subject of all this.

The bills/rent thing I get, but there was clearly more to this.

 

[JBaney45]

The only thing that I wanted was a complete and full disclosure of what went down within the football program. If that meant worse penalties so be it.

Why? So tOSU could be strung up even more over things that happen at pretty much every major program around the country? No thanks. Our seniors will be sitting out a bowl this year for something they had no proven involvement in, watching programs like Oregon and Auburn compete on tv. Last thing that needed to happen was to give the NCAA an excuse to pass on punishments to our younger classes.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

So we look down our nose at the code of omerta that protects places like Auburn but find it ok--possibly even admirable--in one of our own.

If TP didn't fully come clean, this is not a good thing and says much about his character since I have little doubt that it was done with an eye towards protecting no one other than himself.

The only thing that I wanted was a complete and full disclosure of what went down within the football program. If that meant worse penalties so be it.

I'd go along with this if everybody were governed equally. Auburn still having possession of the title means they aren't. So fuck being "fair" if "fair" means we get hit for doing the same thing everybody else does.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Kid still has a lot of life left to live. This could turn into another MoC type of situation or maybe it won't. Personally I've forgiven and moved on. We have a brand new situation and thats what I prefer to focus on.


I hope he lights it up and proves some people wrong, as long as he stays on the straight and narrow. He's doing lots of charity work so as far as I'm concerned, he's doing what he's supposed to now.

He was maybe 18 when he made his mistake. I feel like his explanation was what he felt like then, not what he feels like now, with regard to why he did what he did.


Let it go.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

If TP didn't fully come clean, this is not a good thing and says much about his character since I have little doubt that it was done with an eye towards protecting no one other than himself.

Protecting himself from what? He can't be touched by the NCAA when he bails so he loses nothing by coming clean and moving on. Hell, if the NCAA had declared him ineligible and he was thrown off of the team, he probably wouldn't have been suspended by the NFL.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I'd go along with this if everybody were governed equally. Auburn still having possession of the title means they aren't. So [censored] being "fair" if "fair" means we get hit for doing the same thing everybody else does.

The thing is that I don't look at it in the perspective of what other programs are or aren't getting away with. While it bothers me to a degree, it's ultimately unimportant IMO.

Ohio State had an internal problem that needed to be rooted out and fixed. That's all that I cared about, and if that process resulted in a few harsher penalties for the football program, that's a necessary price to pay. If Pryor didn't cooperate fully and honestly in that process, I really have nothing but scorn for him.

I understand that it's a hopelessly naive view that I cling to, but I'm sticking with it.

 

[jwinslow]

The thing is that I don't look at it in the perspective of what other programs are or aren't getting away with. While it bothers me to a degree, it's ultimately unimportant IMO.

The NCAA is a toothless facade. When scandals surface, usually nothing happens unless a third party comes along and forces their hand with actual evidence. That's why Michigan skated twice before the feds took them down. That's why Clarett didn't amount to much. That's why buckets of details about Auburn's shenanigans never resulted in anything, because no one talked to the NCAA and the feds evidence didn't result in a Fab Five or Tat Five evidence pool like folks thought it would. That's why South Carolina largely skated with an identical "FTM" label to OSU.

I hate everything about the system but that's the reality of the "rules"

That's all that I cared about, and if that process resulted in a few harsher penalties for the football program, that's a necessary price to pay.

If by a few, you mean massive, devastating penalties, then we might be talking about the reality of the situation.

If Pryor didn't cooperate fully and honestly in that process, I really have nothing but scorn for him.

Much to the relief and desire of those in Columbus.