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QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

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BB73;1984373; said:
But he knew in January he was already suspended for 5 games in the 2011 season by tOSU. If he'd declared back then, Goodell probably wouldn't have done anything, Pryor would have been within his rights to declare for the NFL after 3 years in college.

The 5-game suspension that Goodell is mimicking in the NFL had nothing to do with which draft TP ended up being in. So is Goodell going to suspend players from now on who know in January that they'll miss some time in college in the fall, so they declare for the NFL Draft?
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I also find it strange that it is a 5 game suspension. So the guy doesn't break any laws, any NFL rules, and gets suspended more than games than guys that get caught using steroids? If he wasn't eligible for the suplemental than declare him not eligible. You don't make him eligible, then suspend him for "circumenting the rules". To me he should be eligible with no suspension, then revisit the supplamental draft rules to see clarify what allows you to be eligible.

Regardless of if TP's college eligibility status had changed, his situation definitely changed between February and August. I don't think TP purposely didn't declare for the regular draft with some grand scheme to manipulate the draft and later declare for the supplamental. At the time of the original draft deadline, things seemed pretty cut and dry. He would sit out 5 games and play the remainder of the season. Then his coach was fired, NCAA came knocking investigating other allegations, the pressure cooker got ratched up, he looked to be facing a bigger suspension so he didn't co-operate and got the 5 year ban.
 
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Tlangs;1984441; said:
I also find it strange that it is a 5 game suspension. So the guy doesn't break any laws, any NFL rules, and gets suspended more than games than guys that get caught using steroids? If he wasn't eligible for the suplemental than declare him not eligible. You don't make him eligible, then suspend him for "circumenting the rules". To me he should be eligible with no suspension, then revisit the supplamental draft rules to see clarify what allows you to be eligible.

Regardless of if TP's college eligibility status had changed, his situation definitely changed between February and August. I don't think TP purposely didn't declare for the regular draft with some grand scheme to manipulate the draft and later declare for the supplamental. At the time of the original draft deadline, things seemed pretty cut and dry. He would sit out 5 games and play the remainder of the season. Then his coach was fired, NCAA came knocking investigating other allegations, the pressure cooker got ratched up, he looked to be facing a bigger suspension so he didn't co-operate and got the 5 year ban.
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So the lesson we've learned here is that if you have committed NCAA violations and received suspensions, get out of Dodge ASAP. Doing the honorary thing and promising to come back to serve the suspension actually hurts you.
 
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BB73;1984373; said:
But he knew in January he was already suspended for 5 games in the 2011 season by tOSU. If he'd declared back then, Goodell probably wouldn't have done anything, Pryor would have been within his rights to declare for the NFL after 3 years in college.

The 5-game suspension that Goodell is mimicking in the NFL had nothing to do with which draft TP ended up being in. So is Goodell going to suspend players from now on who know in January that they'll miss some time in college in the fall, so they declare for the NFL Draft?
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Well recently he did say the NFL won't be just accepting players because they are suspended and think they come to the NFL and not reap the consequences. But when they didn't know if TP was going to be eligible at all for the supplemental draft the question was whether or not TP actually fell under the reasons why one enters the supplemental, and technically he didn't. He wasn't kicked out of school and nothing had changed since he was given his 5 game suspension before the regular draft. In all honesty, TP probably should not have even been eligible for the supplemental draft.
 
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Flocka I wouldn't say his situation didn't change. The head coach he promised to stay to was fired. They new one wasn't returning his calls and there was ever ratcheting up pressure on him to be the next villain now that Tressel was ousted. While in the purely NCAA ban view of the world nothing had changed. Clearly many things about his situation had changed.
 
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dragurd;1984745; said:
Flocka I wouldn't say his situation didn't change. The head coach he promised to stay to was fired. They new one wasn't returning his calls and there was ever ratcheting up pressure on him to be the next villain now that Tressel was ousted. While in the purely NCAA ban view of the world nothing had changed. Clearly many things about his situation had changed.
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None of the things you just mentioned have anything to do whatsoever with his eligibility. While they may be true, they don't matter at all. Good philosophical point, though.
 
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Poe McKnoe;1984451; said:
So the lesson we've learned here is that if you have committed NCAA violations and received suspensions, get out of Dodge ASAP. Doing the honorary thing and promising to come back to serve the suspension actually hurts you.
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Well, not exactly.. if he would have followed through on that promise, he could have been drafted next year without any problems...
 
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Poe McKnoe;1984451; said:
So the lesson we've learned here is that if you have committed NCAA violations and received suspensions, get out of Dodge ASAP. Doing the honorable thing and promising to come back to serve the suspension actually hurts you.
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What? The Honorable thing is not "promising to come back", it's actually coming back and serving your suspension as promised.


As to "what changed"? - how did it work out, him deciding not to talk to the NCAA - chicken and egg wise? Did he decide not to cooperate which led to him leaving because of his ineligibility status arising from that refusal - or did he decide to leave and then said, "The Hell with it - since I'm no longer with the program, I ain't talking?" Or would it matter, as both actions were T.P. creating the situation that was "changed"?

The "honorable thing" would have been to come back, sit your five games, and to cooperate with the NCAA. The honorable thing would have been to cooperate - and then take whatever consequences resulted from your actions. Now, T.P. may have done the smart thing, but I don't know if I would go so far as to hand out the "honorable" label under those facts (if this was Brantley in the same spot would I want him to stay and to talk to the NCAA? Hell no! I'd be praying that he zipped his beak and got the hell out of town if the NCAA wolves were at our door).

The point here is simple: what the Hell does any of this NCAA bull[Mark May] have to do with the NFL - or making him sit for five NFL games? NOTHING!!

It's pure B.S. I'm not really a T.P. fan, but he is getting hosed here.
 
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This whole brouhaha is a matter between Pryor and the NFL, and of course their legal counsel (the entities who will ultimately profit from any litigation). Consequently, I don't much care what happens to resolve it, including nothing.
 
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GomerBucks;1985800; said:
Good lord... He is gone. Currently a Raider. I do not care about the "suspension" As late as he joined the team, it's not like he would have been playing early anyway.

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With any other team you could say that comfortably...but we're talking about the Raiders. He could start game 6.
 
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Gatorubet;1985543; said:
The point here is simple: what the Hell does any of this NCAA bull[Mark May] have to do with the NFL - or making him sit for five NFL games? NOTHING!!
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Bingo. As I said before, Goodell's really opened a can of worms here. And his whole "no precedential value should be given to this decision" is ridiculous, IMO. The whole thing smacks of not wanting to be consistent with the application of the rules.
 
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