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QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

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BuckeyeNation27;1616242; said:
I think it's pretty obvious Pryor has been playing more and more like Krenzel lately. I also think it's pretty obvious that's a good thing. How somebody can use that as a negative is beyond me.
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i think the argument is that Tressel is turning a guy with game breaking athletic abilities into a game manager type player because he doesn't know how to utilize those same abilities in an offense. Krenzel was Krenzel because he had certain limitations that necessitated him playing the way he did. i don't think it's unfair to say that pryor's skeels might be wasted a tad by turning him into a ball control, run down the clock type of QB, which is what he's mostly been in the past three or four games.

i will add a caveat to that though, in that pryor's ankle situation pretty much prevented him from doing a lot of designed runs and option stuff. that hurt his effectiveness a lot.
 
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When that boy becomes more accurate he'll be flat out dangerous.

Truth is, that's been my only qualm with his performance this year.

If he can hone his skills in this facet he could very well make himself a Heisman Candidate next season.
 
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Electron Boy;1616258; said:
i think the argument is that Tressel is turning a guy with game breaking athletic abilities into a game manager type player because he doesn't know how to utilize those same abilities in an offense. Krenzel was Krenzel because he had certain limitations that necessitated him playing the way he did. i don't think it's unfair to say that pryor's skeels might be wasted a tad by turning him into a ball control, run down the clock type of QB, which is what he's mostly been in the past three or four games.
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Until he can sharpen these abilities he will be used as Krenzel. Pryor has different limitations then Krenzel had. Until the Michigan game, Pryor was not able to throw the ball down field on a line. He still needs to work on the accuracy of those throws, but he is improving from the start of the year. Once this (the deep threat) becomes a legitimate threat, the defense will have to account for the deep ball giving him space to run.

The most important thing about the last three games where his skills were wasted, we won the games.
 
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In a team concept, winning is more important than any individual.
Besides, an improved run game will make the passing game easier for everyone. And Pryor is very capable of throwing a rope if he gets time to set his feet!
 
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Electron Boy;1616258; said:
i think the argument is that Tressel is turning a guy with game breaking athletic abilities into a game manager type player because he doesn't know how to utilize those same abilities in an offense. Krenzel was Krenzel because he had certain limitations that necessitated him playing the way he did. i don't think it's unfair to say that pryor's skeels might be wasted a tad by turning him into a ball control, run down the clock type of QB, which is what he's mostly been in the past three or four games.

i will add a caveat to that though, in that pryor's ankle situation pretty much prevented him from doing a lot of designed runs and option stuff. that hurt his effectiveness a lot.
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TP is responsible for turning TP in to a game manager. He was careless with the football in the begining of the season. JT changed the game plan the second half of the season to rely more on Boom and Zoom and less on TP.
 
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I think people are really tossing around comparisons much too quickly here, I mean your acting as if JT has dumbed the offense down completely to make sure Pryor doesn't make mistakes.

I'm not seeing that, I'm seeing a maturing QB who is simply taking what the defense gives him, I mean against Iowa they basically stayed in straight cover 4 all game long, the old TP would've forced a deep ball much like he did against Purdue, meanwhile against Iowa all he did was hit Ballard, Posey, and others underneath and kept the chains moving. Against Michigan you didn't see him forcing the ball into coverage (His one pick went right off his receiver's hands), you saw him settling down and taking what the defense was giving him, and attacking the cover 3 with the deep ball attempt to Posey when Posey split the safety and the corner.

Tressel is still calling the same game he was before IMO, your just seeing Pryor become a much better decision maker and continuing to mature and develop in the passing game by not forcing the ball and taking what the defense gives him.
 
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Sportsbuck28;1616540; said:
I think people are really tossing around comparisons much too quickly here, I mean your acting as if JT has dumbed the offense down completely to make sure Pryor doesn't make mistakes.

I'm not seeing that, I'm seeing a maturing QB who is simply taking what the defense gives him, I mean against Iowa they basically stayed in straight cover 4 all game long, the old TP would've forced a deep ball much like he did against Purdue, meanwhile against Iowa all he did was hit Ballard, Posey, and others underneath and kept the chains moving. Against Michigan you didn't see him forcing the ball into coverage (His one pick went right off his receiver's hands), you saw him settling down and taking what the defense was giving him, and attacking the cover 3 with the deep ball attempt to Posey when Posey split the safety and the corner.

Tressel is still calling the same game he was before IMO, your just seeing Pryor become a much better decision maker and continuing to mature and develop in the passing game by not forcing the ball and taking what the defense gives him.
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I disagree. Terell had fewer decisions to make the last 4 ball games. I think it was a product of several different factors though.

1. TP's turnovers earlier in the year
2. Health of TP
3. Health of boom and zoom

The three of these factors combined to create a lot more handoffs than the first half of the year. You can't say Tressel is calling the same game when TP didn't have more than 20 pass attempts towards the end of the year.
 
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jwinslow;1616239; said:
Please include the quote number so we can go back and find that post as well :hatepc: How so? I thought his mobility was underutilized in that game. Harvey and Moss had early success pressuring Troy in the pocket. But even though they kept blowing around the corners, I don't remember too many roll-outs or QB draws being called. And maybe my memory is faulty, but I recollect thinking that leaving him in the pocket all night was great for us.
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Pittman was underutilized, as he had major success running right at UF that night. He just wasn't given the rock, as Tress tried to run a track meet with the star runner in the hospital and the captain of the team sluggish with arrogance & buffet food.

Troy was not that great as a designed runner. He was slippery in the pocket and could improvise well, but it was painful watching him try to execute qb draws. He telegraphed them and was pretty average overall.

Troy also got a lot thicker for the 06 season, when he sacrificed some speed/agility for strength to take hits from the pocket. That only became more noticeable after what December did to him, physically & mentally.[/quote]


My God that was painful to watch. Ugh.:sick1:

Ok, back to TP.
 
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