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QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

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From J Amey:
I've touched on this in prior By the Numbers articles, but never thought it was going to be as pervasive of a problem as it obviously is now. Ohio State's star quarterback and the nation's top recruit going into the 2008 season really...REALLY doesn't like contact. To the point where he starts looking terrified of taking a hit. I'm not talking about someone getting a hand on him or anything like that. I'm talking about a full on football hit. You know...the kind that quarterbacks have to take sometimes in order to complete passes against blitzes.

I've thought this from the first time I saw him play in a Buckeye uniform, but I always thought it was going to be something he would get through after his freshman year. I know some of you reading this aren't going to believe this, or at least don't think that it's as big of a problem as I'm making it out to be, but take a little time to think about what you've seen out of Pryor since the beginning of last season. He's playing like a guy that's been able to run away from his problems on the football field...literally. I really think that's part of it. He's probably been that much better than everyone else on the field until he started playing at Ohio State.
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I have to admit that I have thought this since about mid-year last year, but wasn't comfortable posting it because he deserved the benefit of the doubt. There is little doubt now, however.

I don't mind him going "limp" with his legs when he gets tackled downfield, because it avoids injuries, or runing out of bounds - as long as he has moved the chains.
I just wish he had more Kenzel or Troy in him. That innate toughness is not there. It's been my experience that that is not something that can be coached to a great degree, either. Maybe someone else knows better.
He made ONE hard run Sat. night....ONE. On our last posession to get the first down.
Maybe Tress needs to run him out of the Wildcat about 10 times in a row against Toledo and tell him we're gonna keep running it until he is running through people- I don't know any other way to learn toughness than to exerience enough contact to get used to it.
 
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NightmaresDad;1543084; said:
From J Amey:


I have to admit that I have thought this since about mid-year last year, but wasn't comfortable posting it because he deserved the benefit of the doubt. There is little doubt now, however.

I don't mind him going "limp" with his legs when he gets tackled downfield, because it avoids injuries, or runing out of bounds - as long as he has moved the chains.
I just wish he had more Kenzel or Troy in him. That innate toughness is not there. It's been my experience that that is not something that can be coached to a great degree, either. Maybe someone else knows better.
He made ONE hard run Sat. night....ONE. On our last posession to get the first down.
Maybe Tress needs to run him out of the Wildcat about 10 times in a row against Toledo and tell him we're gonna keep running it until he is running through people- I don't know any other way to learn toughness than to exerience enough contact to get used to it.
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a certain lb from minnesota probably doesnt agree with this.....:biggrin:
 
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brodybuck21;1543085; said:
a certain lb from minnesota probably doesnt agree with this.....:biggrin:
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I don't really have a feeling about this one way or the other, but there is a difference between being able to run hard and wanting to do it. Right now I think TP is afraid of being classified as a running QB so he is a little tenative most of the time when he runs. I think he likes to get the edge and use his speed to get downfield. He has shown that when he sets his mind to it he can and enjoys running people over.
IMO JT likes to call passes for Pryor because that gives him the best chance to get big chunks of yardage with his legs. The called draws never seem to work as well. TP needs to know that any time he thinks he can get more than 5 yards with his feet go for it at least this year. I would like to see what TP can do with a sneak in a 3rd and <2 situation. For as well as our D played USC got at least a couple yard every time they ran a sneak.
Just remember at this point of his career Troy Smith was returning kicks and took 4+ years to become a decent passer. In his third year Troy would look at one or two WR's and then get what he could get with his feet. Pryor needs to be a little more like that through this season. I still think that if he stays 4 years TP will be one of the best all around QB's in OSU history.
 
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I didn't mean the OL.. sorry if it came across like that.. I was quite impressed with them actually.. I meant stat line? and with that many could and would be forgiven of our young leader imo...

Buckeyefrankmp;1542912; said:
The line would have looked better if they would have been able to punch it in at the goal line. The line would have looked better if Herron could have had some holes to run through.
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Re: the Minny LB - He was fully expecting TP to run OOB and was taken by sirprise, standing straight up and giving TP an easy target. If he had been coming at TP like a Mike Doss missile, do you think TP would have lowered his shoulders and taken him on?
That collision early on between Boom and Mays was epic and really set the tone for the game for the Buckeyes.....we're not afraid and we're not backing down.

exhawg;1543125; said:
Right now I think TP is afraid of being classified as a running QB so he is a little tenative most of the time when he runs.
Agreed
I think he likes to get the edge and use his speed to get downfield. Agreed
He has shown that when he sets his mind to it he can and enjoys running people over.
I haven't seen that, sorry.

IMO JT likes to call passes for Pryor because that gives him the best chance to get big chunks of yardage with his legs.
Agreed
The called draws never seem to work as well. TP needs to know that any time he thinks he can get more than 5 yards with his feet go for it at least this year.
Agreed
I would like to see what TP can do with a sneak in a 3rd and <2 situation.
I would much rather see option or single wing variation giving us an extra blocker
Just remember at this point of his career Troy Smith was returning kicks and took 4+ years to become a decent passer. In his third year Troy would look at one or two WR's and then get what he could get with his feet.
But Troy was always unquestionably "tough"
Pryor needs to be a little more like that through this season.
Agreed
I still think that if he stays 4 years TP will be one of the best all around QB's in OSU history.
Agreed..but if he ever develops a toughness of a Krenzel or a Smith, he will be off the charts
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Ohio State Buckeyes quarterback Terrelle Pryor reaches point where the light should turn on

Thursday, September 17, 2009 Doug Lesmerises
Plain Dealer Reporter

Columbus
- The quarter back was sagging under high expectations, unable to pass the ball as part of an ineffective offense that fell short, once again, against an elite opponent in a devastating loss. The coach was on the hot seat and there were demands for a change in who called the offensive plays.
The team didn't come to win, they "just didn't want to get blown out," wrote one reporter. Asked about fixes, the coach said, "We're not going to have household changes." After 12 career starts, the quarterback "looks a world away from being refined," wrote another reporter.
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Where to go from there?
When the scenario just described unfolded for Texas and quarterback Vince Young five years ago, Young went out and didn't lose for the rest of his college career. His last defeat was a 12-0 shutout against Oklahoma on Oct. 2, 2004, in the 12th game since he had become a starter.
Although Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor has grown tired of the ad nauseam comparisons to the former Texas star, this is one he might want to pay attention to because Pryor just finished his 12th game as a full-time starter, Saturday's 18-15 loss to USC.

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Pryor is a long way from an elite college quarterback

Thursday, September 17, 2009 Bill Livingston
Plain Dealer Columnist

Terrelle Pryor, the athlete, has yet to wake up the collegiate echoes of Vince Young or Michael Vick, other than the "Vick" eyeblack-patch Pryor wore against Navy.
Pryor, the quarterback, is not even close to playing in the NFL.
The idea that Ohio State is on the clock because Pryor, a sophomore, is only going to be in Columbus three years before jumping to the NFL might be true. Pryor made a good play on a touchdown pass against Texas in the Fiesta Bowl, using his size and a former basketball player's sense of positioning. Unfortunately, he caught the touchdown pass from Todd Boeckman. He didn't throw it.
Pryor might be a receiver or even a running back in the NFL. He stands 6-6, weighs 235 pounds, and runs a 4.33-second time in the 40-yard dash. Such athleticism commands respect.
At quarterback, he is not close to the level of Florida dual-purpose quarterback Tim Tebow, and Tebow is doubtful at the position in the NFL. Ironically, Pryor spurned Michigan - which, like Florida, runs the spread - because it wouldn't prepare him for playing quarterback in the NFL.

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BuckeyeXtra - The Columbus Dispatch : An identity crisis

In August, Terrelle Pryor said that being named preseason offensive player of the year in the Big Ten was an honor, but what really mattered was whether he played that way during the season. Two games in, the sophomore has looked more like he's trying to set himself up for comeback player of the year.

After an 18-15 loss Saturday to No. 3 Southern California and headed into this week's game against Toledo at Cleveland Browns Stadium, there are questions dogging the Buckeyes (1-1) and their quarterback.

If Pryor is coach Jim Tressel's field general, just what is he commanding? A spread-option offense that uses his arm and his feet, a power running team with a drop-back passing game, or a shotgun passing team that also will run?

"Just what is the identity of the offense?" said Craig Krenzel, quarterback of the Buckeyes' 2002 national championship team. "It's a question we seem to go back and forth on every year with coach Tress."

That identity rests with the development of Pryor, Krenzel said. In that case, quarterbacks coach Nick Siciliano said yesterday, it's premature to judge the offense or Pryor.

"We're through two games, and unfortunately one of those two games was USC," Siciliano said "Frankly, they're pretty darn good.


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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The quarterback was sagging under high expectations, unable to pass the ball as part of an ineffective offense that fell short, once again, against an elite opponent in a devastating loss. The coach was on the hot seat and there were demands for a change in who called the offensive plays.
The team didn't come to win, they "just didn't want to get blown out," wrote one reporter. Asked about fixes, the coach said "we're not going to have household changes." After 12 career starts, the quarterback "looks a world away from being refined," wrote another reporter.
Where to go from there?
When the scenario just described unfolded for Texas and quarterback Vince Young five years ago,.......................................

The Pryor problem: Ohio State has avoided a Vince Young analogy, but can Buckeyes' QB emulate former Texas star's rise? - cleveland.com
 
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Doug LeSmear said:
But now that Pryor has had the equivalent of a full regular season, 12 games, to be the guy, he's right at the point where growth ends and understanding begins. The same thing happened with Smith, who saw the Buckeyes' offense really start to fire around the 11th game after his first start, Ohio State's offense averaging 39 points per game in the second half of the 2005 season.
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Technically, Pryor hasn't had his 12th start yet, as Boeckman started at QB versus Texas. But TP played QB most of the time in that game, so I'll go along with the hack and concede the point.

But what the hack fails to take into account is this: Pryor's 12th start was his 15th game in the Buckeye football program ... while Smith's 12th start was his 48th in the program. Big, big difference.
 
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