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QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

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SCBuck13;1619011; said:
But how many headed south to an SEC or ACC school?

I would think most of those kids went to scUM or Notre Dame.
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Here's a complete list, with recruiting class and signing school; bold type indicates a top-5 prospect:

George Cooper (2002) - Georgia Tech
Kyle Ralph (2002) - North Carolina
Prescott Burgess (2003) - Michigan
Shawn Crable (2003) - Michigan
Brady Quinn (2003) - Notre Dame
Ray Edwards (2003) - Purdue
Fred Davis (2004) - Southern Cal
Mike Massey (2004) - Michigan
Brock Bolen (2004) - Illinois
Mario Manningham (2005) - Michigan
Alex Daniels (2005) - Minnesota
Kyle McCarthy (2005) - Notre Dame
Adam Myers-White (2005) - Tennessee
Justin Boren (2006) - Michigan
Joe Thomas (2006) - Pittsburgh
Aaron Brown (2006) - Virginia Tech
Ben Martin (2007)- Tennessee
Kyle Rudolph (2008) - Notre Dame
Mike Zordich (2008) - Penn State
Kevin Koger (2008) - Michigan
Dan McCarthy (2008) - Notre Dame
Cordale Scott (2008) - Illinois
Justin Turner (2009) - Michigan
Pat Muldoon (2009) - Wisconsin
Austin Boucher (2009) - Miami of Ohio

I realize that there extenuating circumstance with many of these recruits, such as being "slow played" by Ohio State (Aaron Brown, Pat Muldoon), being a legacy at another school (Justin Boren, Mike Zordich), or being a late offer to an already committed player (Joe Thomas, Austin Boucher).

You're correct about the southern schools not being a huge factor in Ohio, at least until now.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1619009; said:
I just ran the numbers....

From 2002 to 2009, Ohio State offered 123 in-state prospects and signed 98, for a success rate of 79.7%.

When looking at just top-5 in-state prospects, Ohio State offered 35 and signed 25, for a success rate of 71.4%.

Those numbers could fall after the 2010 class is signed, as Ohio State has already "lost" Ware, Heard, Hendrix, and Welch, and may lose Hicks and James.

It's a nice fence, but certainly not impregnable.
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A little misleading with Heard and Welch though, since they didn't offer until very late in the process (5 days before Welch declared for ND) and never offered Heard.

Also, as another poster mentioned, this is Alabama we're talking about, not another regional "power". It's one thing to go next door, it's another to go down to Bama.

Not saying it's impossible, just saying I like our chances plenty.
 
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I was extremely confident until the report started circulating that Braxton and his "team" would be assessing Terrelle's progress and the offense very closely. IMO, that cannot be a good thing. They took the ball out of Terrelle's hands the last 3 weeks, and relied completely upon the run game.

If you buy into Tressel-ball, and doing whatever it takes to win...that's fine. But don't expect any QB's with NFL aspirations to be open to it. Ohio State is going to have unleash Terrelle next year and he is going to have to execute. Another mediocre/poor season out of Terrelle and it influences Braxton to go elsewhere due to QB development and system concerns.
 
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billmac91;1619083; said:
I was extremely confident until the report started circulating that Braxton and his "team" would be assessing Terrelle's progress and the offense very closely. IMO, that cannot be a good thing. They took the ball out of Terrelle's hands the last 3 weeks, and relied completely upon the run game.

Saban would take the ball out of star Jackson's or braxton Miller's hands if they pass like pryor did, particularly in their second year as starters. He would pound the rock with Richardson all day, and use a few safe dumpoff passes and deep routes for most of his passing game.
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tresselball has its flaws, but pryor took the ball out of his own hands with very poor passing.
If you buy into Tressel-ball, and doing whatever it takes to win...that's fine. But don't expect any QB's with NFL aspirations to be open to it. Ohio State is going to have unleash Terrelle next year and he is going to have to execute. Another mediocre/poor season out of Terrelle and it influences Braxton to go elsewhere due to QB development and system concerns.
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sometimes I wonder if opposing staffs can negatively recruit as well as our own boards? :(
 
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jwinslow;1619149; said:
tresselball has its flaws, but pryor took the ball out of his own hands with very poor passing.
sometimes I wonder if opposing staffs can negatively recruit as well as our own boards? :(
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C'mon Josh....I think its a fairly obvious statement. I think the positive thing for the Buckeyes is they've been trying to retool a QB who thus far hasn't grasped a spread/pro-style system. You hope Braxton has the confidence and tools to transition much smoother based on his current abilities. Braxton looks much more polished than Terrelle did coming to tOSU. I still think the offense has to show much more than it did this year to make it a slam dunk.
 
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Would love to see the progression over the years. However, Heard has not been offered.


LordJeffBuck;1619009; said:
I just ran the numbers....

From 2002 to 2009, Ohio State offered 123 in-state prospects and signed 98, for a success rate of 79.7%.

When looking at just top-5 in-state prospects, Ohio State offered 35 and signed 25, for a success rate of 71.4%.

Those numbers could fall after the 2010 class is signed, as Ohio State has already "lost" Ware, Heard, Hendrix, and Welch, and may lose Hicks and James.

It's a nice fence, but certainly not impregnable.
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billmac91;1619083; said:
I was extremely confident until the report started circulating that Braxton and his "team" would be assessing Terrelle's progress and the offense very closely. IMO, that cannot be a good thing. They took the ball out of Terrelle's hands the last 3 weeks, and relied completely upon the run game.

If you buy into Tressel-ball, and doing whatever it takes to win...that's fine. But don't expect any QB's with NFL aspirations to be open to it. Ohio State is going to have unleash Terrelle next year and he is going to have to execute. Another mediocre/poor season out of Terrelle and it influences Braxton to go elsewhere due to QB development and system concerns.
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If the coach's PERCEIVED style of play is going to influence him to the extent where he decides to go to another school DESPITE what that coach has told him, then he should go.

It's that simple.

I don't know why Tresselball is a hindrance here to Miller coming to Ohio State, it was very clear up until the Purdue game that Pryor was going to be allowed to air it out. Tressel only put the clamps on TP once he was turning it over and an unacceptable rate.

Essentially it comes down to this: Does Braxton want to WIN or does he want stats?
 
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billmac91;1619161; said:
Or does he want to developed into an NFL QB?
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Tressel has put 3 QBs into the NFL. Granted they aren't the best NFL QBs in the world, but all 3 of them won the Big Ten AND a Mythical National Championship at Ohio State.

IF the guy is going to college strictly to go to the NFL, IMO he should look elsewhere. Ohio STate will live on with or without him. It would be nice if he came to OSU, but if he doesn't, Ohio State will be just fine.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1619163; said:
Tressel has put 3 QBs into the NFL. Granted they aren't the best NFL QBs in the world, but all 3 of them won the Big Ten AND a Mythical National Championship at Ohio State.

IF the guy is going to college strictly to go to the NFL, IMO he should look elsewhere. Ohio STate will live on with or without him. It would be nice if he came to OSU, but if he doesn't, Ohio State will be just fine.
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Im on the other side, I think Our team needs him. or will need him. He has hell of a lot of talent. An absolute Cannon for an arm. He easily could come in and have more success passing the ball thqat Pryor is, because he natually has more passing skills then him. Stronger arm, as well as more accurate(no floaters)
The desion making isn't the problem, that can be taught, and that is what OSU does well at, devloping the descion making of a QB.

He would fit perfect with our offense. Him and Berry and Smith would strike fear into the hearts of all. The line has as much talent as anyone in the country. WR are as deep as it gets. Braxton is a player that would put us over the top. A national contender instead of a Big ten contender imo.
 
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Buckin Crazy;1619183; said:
Im on the other side, I think Our team needs him. or will need him. He has hell of a lot of talent. An absolute Cannon for an arm. He easily could come in and have more success passing the ball thqat Pryor is, because he natually has more passing skills then him. Stronger arm, as well as more accurate(no floaters)
The desion making isn't the problem, that can be taught, and that is what OSU does well at, devloping the descion making of a QB.

He would fit perfect with our offense. Him and Berry and Smith would strike fear into the hearts of all. The line has as much talent as anyone in the country. WR are as deep as it gets. Braxton is a player that would put us over the top. A national contender instead of a Big ten contender imo.
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Two words: Justin Zwick

Just because the kid has the tools doesn't mean he's a QB which also is like saying the kid has no "great" tools but is a great leader on the field (Krenzel)....

There's a reason he is a 5 star prospect and high on everyone's list. But at some point when it comes down to it, if he's going to OHio STate to win at Ohio State, those are the types of players that Tressel usually recruits. IF he's going to school for the sole purpose of going to the NFL, even JT will likely tell him to go elsewhere. Either you buy into being at Ohio State and by way of going to OHio STate you go to the NFL or you buy into going to the NFL.

And Ohio State will be fine with or without him. Sure it won't be the same if he was going to be the QB, but hell he's not going to start at Ohio State until at least 2013 at the earliest, God Forbid a serious injury to Pryor. And even then he has to beat out Guiton who will have 3 full years in the system by then.

In summary, it would be nice to get him. Very nice. But it won't break the program and the program shouldn't break itself trying to get a singular player.

And don't look now, but Ohio State is a national contender EVERY year under Tressel for the most part. That's the nice thing about having a living legend as your coach :wink:
 
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