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QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

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landed on his head, shoulder.
probably knocked a little woozy. you can get your bell rung without having a concussion.
probably had a little nerve strain.
probably had the wind knocked out of him.
definitely had the shit scared out of him.

all that at the same time, while none being serious, could lead to a pretty big reaction...
 
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ant80;2241940; said:
I get what you are saying, but you weren't the one to examine Braxton. The doctors examined him thoroughly, and they cleared him. I know there are a lot of good medical professionals around. So don't worry so much.
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I know I didn't examine him, so I have to put together what I saw - which was very dramatic and serious - with what has been said about it. Again, I have 100% confidence in the OSU training and medical staff and in the hospital. It's just that what we all saw doesn't add up to how they explained it.

Let's say the true explanation is that his fear got the better of him. OK. We all understand how that can happen. But the fear represents a problem - for any football player - and for this football player in particular given how much he handles the ball and gets hit.

I do not believe he is OK. He has a problem physically, psychologically, or both. Best case scenario is that it is a minor psychological problem, he gets hit Sat and settles it right then and there by getting right up and continue playing. It's the other scenarios that I don't want to contemplate.
 
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Yep. Check out Muhammed Ali.

There are degrees of trauma and a cumulative effect of repeated trauma, as well as an apparent magnifying effect when a repeat trauma occurs during healing - which is why you are seeing guys kept out of the line up after a known brain trauma.
 
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Extremely happy to see Brax is back and healthy. Regardless of the legality of the tackle and how he seemed afterward, I'm just happy the kid is ok and amazed that he is ready to play. Tough kid and think he comes out in Ped St and puts on a show.
 
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OSUK;2241916; said:
I'm not one who thinks Braxton is soft or anything like that. I am one who knows something about "whiplash" injuries, and there are so many things here that do not add up that I don't know where to begin.

1) The mechanism of injury is not consistent with whiplash - which is a hyperflexion/hyperextension injury in the common sense of the term. Braxton went down on his left side - with the left shoulder and head impacting the ground. This could lead to injury to the shoulder girdle, neck, and head - but not a whiplash in the sense that term is generally applied.

2) The amount of time he was on the field, and the way he acted afterward would lead one to think head injury/concussion - which is consistent with what you see on the replay. If it is not that, then the only explanation is that there was an emotional response/fear reaction to the injury.

3) The hospital cleared him of head injury and any significant neck or shoulder conditions, and we are told that it was just "whiplash" and he can play. So the best explanation (head injury), considering the mechanism of injury, was ruled out by the hospital - which I have 100% confidence in. But then we are given a "diagnosis" that doesn't fit the mechanism of injury. Then the diagnosis is further described as a "sore neck" - which is reasonable, but doesn't fit how he acted after the injury.

I have to conclude that either Braxton is really injured, but for whatever reasons the injury is being denied, or the post-injury behavior was exaggerated and not representative of the actual type and severity of the injury. Either way we have a problem - either a physical problem, a psychological one, or a combination.

We won't know until Sat night. If he doesn't play, we will know that the OSU coaching staff was just messing with PSU and their preparation. If he does play, takes a hard hit to the head and goes out, then they are playing a hurt guy. If he takes a bunch of good hits, pops up and plays the whole game, he may have just let his fear get the better of him.

But I'm telling you, what I saw, and what has been put out there about this, does not add up.
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Well, you didn't actually get to examine Braxton either, so you are going on very little to make your assertation.

My junior year in HS, I was playing both ways (OL amd DL). One play while I was on D, I broke through my blocker only to be earholed by a FB going full speed and he dipped his helmet into mine at the point of attack. They carted me off the field into an ambulance and straight to the hospital for X-rays due to a potential neck injury. When I came to on the field with the trainers and coaches over me, I felt winded and was getting freaked out at what the people were telling me; "stay still, you may have a broken neck.", "we need to get this kid to a hospital.", etc.

I ended up being cleared that night, no concussion, no broken anything, and the final diagnosis was minor whiplash.

According to everyone that watched me get carted off, I HAD to have more than just whiplash, yet they were all wrong. I did not miss another game (until I broke my thumb badly that year), and was still going 100% once I got back.

All I am saying here is that unless you were right there, and were part of the staff that treated Braxton, you really have no clue as to what is going on with him based on what you saw last saturday.
 
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buxfan4life;2242323; said:
Well, you didn't actually get to examine Braxton either, so you are going on very little to make your assertation.

My junior year in HS, I was playing both ways (OL amd DL). One play while I was on D, I broke through my blocker only to be earholed by a FB going full speed and he dipped his helmet into mine at the point of attack. They carted me off the field into an ambulance and straight to the hospital for X-rays due to a potential neck injury. When I came to on the field with the trainers and coaches over me, I felt winded and was getting freaked out at what the people were telling me; "stay still, you may have a broken neck.", "we need to get this kid to a hospital.", etc.

I ended up being cleared that night, no concussion, no broken anything, and the final diagnosis was minor whiplash.

According to everyone that watched me get carted off, I HAD to have more than just whiplash, yet they were all wrong. I did not miss another game (until I broke my thumb badly that year), and was still going 100% once I got back.

All I am saying here is that unless you were right there, and were part of the staff that treated Braxton, you really have no clue as to what is going on with him based on what you saw last saturday.
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Everything you say is true, and I'm not arguing with you. Your personal experience is an example of what people thought vs. what actually was.

I am presenting you with a possible reality that none of us want to face. I get it. Not saying my questions about this are valid. Human beings are very complicated in every way and there are many times that situations defy explanation.

However, I think if you ask anyone in the field of neurology to look at how Brax was taken down, how he impacted, how he lay on the field, but more importantly, how unsteady he was for minutes afterward, they are going to tell you that neck muscle strain does not explain the post-injury behavior.

His play, or lack thereof, will tell the tale Saturday evening. I'm hoping for career rushing and passing numbers. But most of all, I'm concerned that this talented young man is fully healthy in every way because no matter how much I want an undefeated season and a win over PSU, his well being is more important.
 
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OSUK;2242444; said:
Everything you say is true, and I'm not arguing with you. Your personal experience is an example of what people thought vs. what actually was.

I am presenting you with a possible reality that none of us want to face. I get it. Not saying my questions about this are valid. Human beings are very complicated in every way and there are many times that situations defy explanation.

However, I think if you ask anyone in the field of neurology to look at how Brax was taken down, how he impacted, how he lay on the field, but more importantly, how unsteady he was for minutes afterward, they are going to tell you that neck muscle strain does not explain the post-injury behavior.

His play, or lack thereof, will tell the tale Saturday evening. I'm hoping for career rushing and passing numbers. But most of all, I'm concerned that this talented young man is fully healthy in every way because no matter how much I want an undefeated season and a win over PSU, his well being is more important.
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Why the hell are you guys all arguing with this man? He says he has a background which gives him some insight into Braxton's conditions. The man is just thinking out loud. If you disagree with it, great. He isn't here to rustle your jimmies. He is giving an informed opinion. Some of you act like your honor is being called into question.

Some of you want to think it is impossible that Braxton has a concussion and people just do not want the world to know. If it is mild and he is ok, what difference does it make to you that they lie about his initial condition? I just do not understand the lens with which some of you view the world, as if someone disagreeing with you discredits your whole life.

PS. I am buzzed and a little bit angry.
 
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