QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

[Bill Lucas]

Manziell is awesome. I'd like to see him against top notch defenses, but certainly wouldn't take anything away from his performance thus far.

He's already played Florida. Their defense is up there.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Valid point, but don't you think Troy won because he was so dominant, and by extension the entire offense dominated? Whereas this seasons team has been anything but dominant, despite having Braxton go crazy.

I think Troy won owing to several factors, including his 2005 campaign and his ability to lead which, in my IMO was something he demonstrated on the field his entire career. I have to admit, when I looked up Troy's numbers I thought "Gosh, those seem low... I seem to recall 2006 Ohio State's offense being explosive, dominant, etc.." and the numbers don't seem to support that memory, lol. In any case, while this seasons defense has not been what we Ohio State fans have grown accustomed, I'm not so sure your remark about offensive dominance is accurate.

2006 Bucks scored 34.6 per contest and averaged 384.5 yards a game.
2012 Bucks score 40.4 per contest and average 452.4 yards a game.

These two numbers aren't the full picture, of course, but I would argue that this year's offense has been "dominant" at least in terms of comparing it to 2006. Ohio State has scored over 50 points 3 times in 7 games already this season. In 2006 the Buckeyes put up 50 only one time, against Northwestern, and topped 40 points 4 times in 13 contests, while the '12 Buckeyes have already gone over for 3 times. Because of the '06 Defense, the MOV was much larger (there was a two game stretch where the Buckeyes won 44-3 and 44-0 (Indiana and Minnesota) for example) for the 06 squad and maybe that's why you regard the 06 offense as more dominant?

 

[Coqui]

I think Troy won owing to several factors, including his 2005 campaign and his ability to lead which, in my IMO was something he demonstrated on the field his entire career. I have to admit, when I looked up Troy's numbers I thought "Gosh, those seem low... I seem to recall 2006 Ohio State's offense being explosive, dominant, etc.." and the numbers don't seem to support that memory, lol. In any case, while this seasons defense has not been what we Ohio State fans have grown accustomed, I'm not so sure your remark about offensive dominance is accurate.

2006 Bucks scored 34.6 per contest and averaged 384.5 yards a game.
2012 Bucks score 40.4 per contest and average 452.4 yards a game.

These two numbers aren't the full picture, of course, but I would argue that this year's offense has been "dominant" at least in terms of comparing it to 2006. Ohio State has scored over 50 points 3 times in 7 games already this season. In 2006 the Buckeyes put up 50 only one time, against Northwestern, and topped 40 points 4 times in 13 contests, while the '12 Buckeyes have already gone over for 3 times. Because of the '06 Defense, the MOV was much larger (there was a two game stretch where the Buckeyes won 44-3 and 44-0 (Indiana and Minnesota) for example) for the 06 squad and maybe that's why you regard the 06 offense as more dominant?

Only issue with this is that this years offense is ground dominant.

We're 8th in the country rushing but 100th in the country passing.

In 2006, we were 26th in the country rushing and 45th in the country passing.

 

[redguard117]

I think Troy won owing to several factors, including his 2005 campaign and his ability to lead which, in my IMO was something he demonstrated on the field his entire career. I have to admit, when I looked up Troy's numbers I thought "Gosh, those seem low... I seem to recall 2006 Ohio State's offense being explosive, dominant, etc.." and the numbers don't seem to support that memory, lol. In any case, while this seasons defense has not been what we Ohio State fans have grown accustomed, I'm not so sure your remark about offensive dominance is accurate.

2006 Bucks scored 34.6 per contest and averaged 384.5 yards a game.
2012 Bucks score 40.4 per contest and average 452.4 yards a game.

These two numbers aren't the full picture, of course, but I would argue that this year's offense has been "dominant" at least in terms of comparing it to 2006. Ohio State has scored over 50 points 3 times in 7 games already this season. In 2006 the Buckeyes put up 50 only one time, against Northwestern, and topped 40 points 4 times in 13 contests, while the '12 Buckeyes have already gone over for 3 times. Because of the '06 Defense, the MOV was much larger (there was a two game stretch where the Buckeyes won 44-3 and 44-0 (Indiana and Minnesota) for example) for the 06 squad and maybe that's why you regard the 06 offense as more dominant?

Troy dominated against much superior teams than anything we have faced in the past couple years. He shredded #2 Texas, did the same with #2 Michigan while leading a game winning drive, and did the same again with 3 or 4 other ranked teams in between those two.

 

[Bill Lucas]

Pittman and Wells rushed for over 1800 yards in 2006. There was no need to throw the ball around 35 times a game.

 

[Bill Lucas]

Troy dominated against much superior teams than anything we have faced in the past couple years. He shredded #2 Texas, did the same with #2 Michigan while leading a game winning drive, and did the same again with 3 or 4 other ranked teams in between those two.

I'm not a fan of quoting a teams ranking at the time the game was played. Texas ended up #13 and scum got smoked by USC in the Rose Bowl. Not to take anything away from Troy Smith. He had a great year in 2006.

 

[redguard117]

I'm not a fan of quoting a teams ranking at the time the game was played. Texas ended up #13 and scum got smoked by USC in the Rose Bowl. Not to take anything away from Troy Smith. He had a great year in 2006.

But Heisman voters DO look at that. That is why he won.

Also, we got smoked by Florida. I am definitely in the minority on this, but I believe we win that game if the OL, DL and Smith hadn't put on an average of 10-15 lbs of dough in the off-period. But that's another story

 

[sparcboxbuck]

he should be for this:

fumble!

 

[Bill Lucas]

Also, we got smoked by Florida. I am definitely in the minority on this, but I believe we win that game if the OL, DL and Smith hadn't put on an average of 10-15 lbs of dough in the off-period.

I'm not sure if it's a win but a commitment to run the football in that game would have shortened the game. The one series in the game that Ohio State committed to running the football they shoved in down Florida's throats for a touchdown. I'm not a fan of the game plan that was in place for that game.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

I'm not sure if it's a win but a commitment to run the football in that game would have shortened the game. The one series in the game that Ohio State committed to running the football they shoved in down Florida's throats for a touchdown. I'm not a fan of the game plan that was in place for that game.

Yeah, it didn't make much sense at the time because it was clear that a passing game was not going to get very far. Another very frustrating aspect was that Troy absolutely refused to scramble in that game even though he could've picked up good yardage on at least a couple of plays that I still remember.

That's one thing I hope Miller never does; stop scrambling in his next two years. I'm confident he won't, but Smith's most dangerous aspect was the short 5-10 yard scramble that he could employ at any time and that would suck in the defense and open up the passing game further. But in the NC game it was as if he had it so much in his head that he a drop-back guy that he did not want to scramble any more and it hurt the offense.

I don't want Miller running 20+ times as a senior, but 6-7 attempts a game is absolutely fine, especially when you're as dynamic as Miller is. Heck, Troy was a very good/great scrambler even after he bulked up a bit as a senior but seemed to disregard it at times.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Trim the &feature=related bit from the URLs.

Embedding didn't like the https for some reason...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Only issue with this is that this years offense is ground dominant.

We're 8th in the country rushing but 100th in the country passing.

If the receivers would quit dropping balls we'd move up about 25-30 spots. Smith dropped two long TD passes Saturday, costing about 80 yards in passing.

As long as we throw often enough and effectively enough to keep the defense from stacking the box, it's all good.

 

[ScriptOhio]

In 2013 we will have a solid RB corps with a proven #1 running back that will allow Miller to focus on throwing and curtail the wear on his legs.

He would have if his passes were caught.

We really need a solid WR/TE (i.e. receiving) corp in 2013.

:osu:

 

[Dryden]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...o-smith-barely-retains-lead-over-collin-klein

HeismanPundit/CBSSports.com Heisman Straw Poll: Geno Smith barely retains lead over Collin Klein

The HeismanPundit/CBSSports.com Heisman Straw Poll, 10-16-2012
Player, total points (first-place votes in parentheses)

1. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia -- 19 (4)
2. Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State -- 18 (4)
3. Braxton Miller, QB, Ohio State -- 13 (1)
4. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M -- 7 (1)
5. (tie) Marqise Lee, WR, USC -- 3 (1)
Manti Te'o , LB, Notre Dame -- 3

Dennis Dodd is the writer currently giving Braxton a 1st place vote. Per his Twitter over the weekend he voted:

@dennisdoddcbs My Heisman top 5: 1, Braxton Miller; 2, Johnny Football (Manziel); 3, Seth Doege; 4, Geno Smith; 5, Manti Teo.

Dodd does have a Heisman vote.

BTN should probably withhold a paycheck from Dienhart this week!!

 

[lvbuckeye]

Finally, the big difference between the QB's that have put up crazy stats and not won in the past is that WVU is playing in either the toughest, or second toughest conference this season. Regardless of record, if he's able to get through the B12 season with 4700 yards and 52 TD's and 5 INT's, I think he's getting the award.

ummm, no. just no. third best conference. the SEC is better and the Pac12 is better.