QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

[dav713]

Well these next four years just keep looking better and better.

Amen to that. Braxton Miller's potential is undeniable. It will be fun watching him develop along with these young receivers.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

So...saying "Miller is a better runner than Pryor was" = "depreciating Pryor."

False. Pryor was a MUCH better passer as Freshman. However, I don't consider that a shot a Miller. I'm just giving my position on the topic. You know, so we can discuss it. On the discussion board. God forbid that there are divergent opinions.

I'm not sure if Pryor was really a "MUCH" better passer than Miller, I just think he had better, more experienced WRs in Robiskie, Hartline, Sanz and a bigger running threat in Wells.

 

[jwinslow]

Again, I'm not sure Miller is getting very good tutelage relative to his passing game. I think Tressel played a pretty major role in Pryor's development as a well-rounded QB, and it's a shame Miller doesn't have the same opportunity.

I don't think either QB got strong coaching there. Terrelle, for all of his faults, From coachability to mechanics, handled the rigors of the position

having reliable wrs certainly helped, but Pryor executed well before his years. Braxton took half a year to stop looking like a wide eyed freshman.

Braxton was years ahead of Pryor as a passer coming out of high school, and while that hasn't translated yet to the college gridiron, he also won't be fighting himself along the way. Terrelle was a great college QB but was not a Vince or Cam who embraced their strengths. Braxton isn't fighting his natural abilities, and more so, his humility will expedite the learning process.

I don't take anything back about their opposites, and most of all it is a pleasure seeing a great talent whose humility, leadership and love for the university are when greater than his abilities.

 

[MAINEiac Buckeye]

for those who didnt see. heres a meh youtube clip

B-Miller 3rd Td Run. Go Bucks! - YouTube

Simply a jaw dropper! The kid is just amazing.

BUUUUUT, he will have to learn to slide or step out more often as time goes on. You can't take those big hits like he has and stay healthy. I recall that was the same thing many were saying about TP when he first took over the offense.

 

[Taosman]

So...saying "Miller is a better runner than Pryor was" = "depreciating Pryor."

False. Pryor was a MUCH better passer as Freshman. However, I don't consider that a shot a Miller. I'm just giving my position on the topic. You know, so we can discuss it. On the discussion board. God forbid that there are divergent opinions.

Also, "depreciating Pryor" makes one less of a "fan"?

Personally, I think Braxton is a better open field runner, and is better at running North/South than running outside and losing yards. While Pryor liked to bounce it outside, as Josh has repeatedly mentioned, Braxton looks to go right upfield.

This looks very accurate.
It would have helped Brax if he had Posey for the whole year to open things up in the passing game. But it is what it is.
I would guess next year, maybe even in the Bowl game this year, we see an explosion in the passing game and Miller looking even more amazing!

 

[MaxBuck]

So...saying "Miller is a better runner than Pryor was" = "depreciating Pryor." ...

Also, "depreciating Pryor" makes one less of a "fan"?

No, and yes, respectively.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

No, and yes, respectively.

I guess I don't really see anyone depreciating Pryor's abilities. No one is saying that he sucked, just that Miller is better at running the ball as a QB.

More specifically, I'd say that Miller is better at running the ball on designed QB runs, whereas Pryor was better at eluding pressure in the backfield and avoiding sacks, allowing him to pick up yardage on broken plays better than Miller does right now.

Completely different runners and abilities, with both of them having areas where they are better than the other.

 

[Dryden]

Pryor was better at eluding pressure in the backfield and avoiding sacks

Pryor was better at avoiding sacks, though I don't know that having the physical strength to bend over and dump DE's that were already along for a piggy-back ride made him "elusive." Maybe I have selective memory. I just don't recall TP having a great 'internal clock.' He was on his way to developing it, but a lot of his most spectacular runs were broken plays where he had already broken a blind-side tackle that would have brought down any other QB, and then he used his wing-span and stiff arm to pick his way out of trouble.

And I'll throw my hat into the camp that thinks the stop-watch lies. I don't care what the 40-times in the WHAC read, Braxton certainly appears to be faster in the open field, -- with the pads on, -- on gameday in my eyes. When Braxton sees a lane and decides to go, it's 15 yards+ damn near every time. I'd like to see Braxton's YPC with the sack yardage taken out. When I think of their two different styles of running, I think that if neither were a QB, Braxton could shine as a KR/PR, but Pryor would not.

Really, comparing the two is apples and oranges. We're just blessed to have had both put on the scarlet and gray.

 

[jwinslow]

And I'll throw my hat into the camp that thinks the stop-watch lies. I don't care what the 40-times in the WHAC read, Braxton certainly appears to be faster in the open field, -- with the pads on, -- on gameday in my eyes.

Which goes back to the opinion that 40 times are a poor metric compared to shuttle & cone times. 40 yard dashes don't take into account Terrelle's so-so agility.

 

[AKAK]

Which goes back to the opinion that 40 times are a poor metric compared to shuttle & cone times. 40 yard dashes don't take into account Terrelle's so-so agility.

Yeah, but you're also not allowed to stiff arm a Defensive sized cone to the turf. You're suppose to run around them.

Wait, What are we arguing about here?

No, I could reiterate what Dryden just said, but, he got it right on the apples, oranges, and everything else.

However "fast" or "quick" or "elusive" Braxton is really doesn't matter, he's certainly fast enough and I don't know if you get extra points for juking a cone out if it's jock on the clock either.

But, to Josh's point, I don't care so much about his measurable abilities other than he has enough talent to do the job, and hopefully his leadership skills on and off the field along with the other intangibles that have been mentioned, take him a long way.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Pryor was better at avoiding sacks, though I don't know that having the physical strength to bend over and dump DE's that were already along for a piggy-back ride made him "elusive." Maybe I have selective memory. I just don't recall TP having a great 'internal clock.' He was on his way to developing it, but a lot of his most spectacular runs were broken plays where he had already broken a blind-side tackle that would have brought down any other QB, and then he used his wing-span and stiff arm to pick his way out of trouble.

Right on. My choice of the word "elusive" was poor. You rephrased it quite nicely.

 

[Coqui]

Simply a jaw dropper! The kid is just amazing.

BUUUUUT, he will have to learn to slide or step out more often as time goes on. You can't take those big hits like he has and stay healthy. I recall that was the same thing many were saying about TP when he first took over the offense.

But then well have this same conversation but comparing the next QB to Miller.

 

[Coqui]

Which goes back to the opinion that 40 times are a poor metric compared to shuttle & cone times. 40 yard dashes don't take into account Terrelle's so-so agility.

That would be like saying a Souped up Civic is faster than a Shelby Mustang Cobra though. A Civic would win in a slalom course, but on the drag, the Mustang.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

False. Pryor was a MUCH better passer as Freshman.

You cannot possibly be serious. Have you even watched the last two games? Miller's passes are complete 180-degree opposites of what they were in the early season...he's throwing tight spirals now vice the wobblers he was throwing. Pryor was a bad passer in his freshman year, and the staff was still working on his mechanics going into 2011. Miller is far ahead of what Pryor was as a frosh passing-wise.

 

[Bill Lucas]

You cannot possibly be serious. Have you even watched the last two games? Miller's passes are complete 180-degree opposites of what they were in the early season...he's throwing tight spirals now vice the wobblers he was throwing. Pryor was a bad passer in his freshman year, and the staff was still working on his mechanics going into 2011. Miller is far ahead of what Pryor was as a frosh passing-wise.

And Miller has a MUCH stronger arm than Pryor. I'm not sure Pryor could have made the throw against Wisconsin to win the game.