QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

[MaxBuck]

And people wonder why the Browns are one of the worst pro franchises. It's decisions like these (Wallace over Smith).

I completely disagree, and it has nothing to do with Troy. Holmgren knows Wallace, and vice versa. This move eliminates a learning curve. Heaven knows the Browns have enough learning curve problems without adding one at starting QB.

Too, the Browns really want to dump Brady Quinn (talk is he may head to KC to be reunited with Jabba the Hut), so Troy to Cleveland may not be a dead issue.

 

[Bucklion]

I completely disagree, and it has nothing to do with Troy. Holmgren knows Wallace, and vice versa. This move eliminates a learning curve. Heaven knows the Browns have enough learning curve problems without adding one at starting QB.

Too, the Browns really want to dump Brady Quinn (talk is he may head to KC to be reunited with Jabba the Hut), so Troy to Cleveland may not be a dead issue.

Jabba, Quinn, Cassel, and Brody Croyle...if that isn't the QB custerfuck of the century, I don't know what would be.

 

[muffler dragon]

if that isn't the QB custerfuck of the century, I don't know what would be.

Li'l Big Horn of the 2000s?

 

[Bucklion]

Li'l Big Horn of the 2000s?

"Bring on the Indians!" oops

 

[Buckskin86]

March 10, 2010
Troy Smith still in limbo
The Browns' acquisition of quarterback Seneca Wallace would appear to diminish the chances they'll make a move for Ravens' backup Troy Smith. But Cleveland dumped Derek Anderson on Wednesday and reportedly are shopping Brady Quinn. If nothing else, the Browns will need numbers at the position.

Trading for Smith would not break the draft bank for any team. The Ravens tendered him at the original fifth-round level. And after trading Corey Williams, the Browns have have four picks in the fifth round. If they wanted him, then, they could have him. Cheaply.

Starting in midseason, when his agent first acknowledged that Smith wanted out of Baltimore, the former Heisman Trophy winner has campaigned to get to Cleveland.

Perhaps a better destination is Oakland, where former Ravens quarterback coach Hue Jackson is now the Raiders' offensive coordinator. Bruce Gradkowski and JaMarcus Russell both started last season for the Raiders.

Ravens Insider: Troy Smith still in limbo - The inside scoop and analysis on the team from The Baltimore Sun's Ravens columnist and Ravens beat writer. - baltimoresun.com

 

[buckeyesin07]

I completely disagree, and it has nothing to do with Troy. Holmgren knows Wallace, and vice versa. This move eliminates a learning curve. Heaven knows the Browns have enough learning curve problems without adding one at starting QB.

I completely disagree here. Holmgren knows Wallce. So what? The last I checked, Holmgren was the president of the Browns, not the head coach. Even if you're right that the president will circumvent the head coach and dictate what offense the Browns run (which I highly doubt), it doesn't mean that Wallace will be effective for the Browns. He didn't do anything in Seattle that would make me think he's going to come into Cleveland and set the world on fire. No one cares if he has a grasp on the offense or not if he can't win games. Signing Wallace is a bad decision.

 

[jlb1705]

I completely disagree here. Holmgren knows Wallce. So what? The last I checked, Holmgren was the president of the Browns, not the head coach. Even if you're right that the president will circumvent the head coach and dictate what offense the Browns run (which I highly doubt), it doesn't mean that Wallace will be effective for the Browns. He didn't do anything in Seattle that would make me think he's going to come into Cleveland and set the world on fire. No one cares if he has a grasp on the offense or not if he can't win games. Signing Wallace is a bad decision.

Nobody's saying he's going to set the world on fire. If that were a reasonable expectation of any player they wouldn't be a free agent or trade bait in the first place. This trade was a move to build experience and depth. If you think acquiring Wallace was a bad move, please show me a better one. Show me a QB who's on the market right now who could be acquired at near the price paid for Wallace that you can guarantee would win more than the 5-6 games everybody is pegging him for.

People are talking about acquiring Troy Smith like he's fucking Johnny Unitas. If he were the sure thing that people are trying to make him out to be he wouldn't be available in the first place. He has just as many if not more question marks around him than anybody on the roster or on the market right now.

 

[Gatorubet]

troy to jlb1705.wav

 

[buckeyesin07]

Nobody's saying he's going to set the world on fire. If that were a reasonable expectation of any player they wouldn't be a free agent or trade bait in the first place. This trade was a move to build experience and depth. If you think acquiring Wallace was a bad move, please show me a better one. Show me a QB who's on the market right now who could be acquired at near the price paid for Wallace that you can guarantee would win more than the 5-6 games everybody is pegging him for.

People are talking about acquiring Troy Smith like he's [censored]ing Johnny Unitas. If he were the sure thing that people are trying to make him out to be he wouldn't be available in the first place. He has just as many if not more question marks around him than anybody on the roster or on the market right now.

Seneca Wallace is a proven 5-6 win commodity. Troy Smith is at least that good, IMO. And he could be better. Why not roll the dice with him? That's the problem with Cleveland fans--they all seem to be OK with having a 5-6 win QB in there because they've convinced themselves that "there's nobody better" and that the 5-6 win QB "builds experience and depth."

 

[NFBuck]

People are talking about acquiring Troy Smith like he's fucking Johnny Unitas. If he were the sure thing that people are trying to make him out to be he wouldn't be available in the first place. He has just as many if not more question marks around him than anybody on the roster or on the market right now.

Seriously. People need to take the blinders off. Troy has proven NOTHING in the NFL. Wallace looks like an acceptable placeholder. It's not like he's coming in to be the future...

 

[boogs03]

Seriously. People need to take the blinders off. Troy has proven NOTHING in the NFL. Wallace looks like an acceptable placeholder. It's not like he's coming in to be the future...

I haven't commented on here about Troy coming but I told a friend of mine that with all the questionable moves this franchise has made since coming back to Cleveland to at least give Troy a shot. How many players want to be in Cleveland more than him. I understand there are questions about Troy but if he would work out then great and if he didn't then it wouldn't be the first time and at least most of the Browns fans would be happy bringing in a Buckeye that loves the city.

 

[jlb1705]

If you think acquiring Wallace was a bad move, please show me a better one. Show me a QB who's on the market right now who could be acquired at near the price paid for Wallace that you can guarantee would win more than the 5-6 games everybody is pegging him for.

Seneca Wallace is a proven 5-6 win commodity. Troy Smith is at least that good, IMO. And he could be better. Why not roll the dice with him? That's the problem with Cleveland fans--they all seem to be OK with having a 5-6 win QB in there because they've convinced themselves that "there's nobody better" and that the 5-6 win QB "builds experience and depth."

You just suggested a guy that even you characterized as a "roll of the dice". You qualified every statement you made about him in that post.

Take a look at the list of free agent QBs for this year and tell me again that I've convinced myself of something. Find a proven winner in that bunch who's not old as hell and broken down. You're the one who's trying to convince yourself of something, and judging by all the qualifiers you're using, you're not even succeeding at it.

I'd love it if the Browns got Troy Smith. I'd love it even more if he turned out to be the answer at QB. To shit on a separate move though - one that brought in a QB that right off the bat is better than anyone who has been on the roster at this position for the last couple years... Well, that's the problem with Cleveland fans.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

Seriously. People need to take the blinders off. Troy has proven NOTHING in the NFL. Wallace looks like an acceptable placeholder. It's not like he's coming in to be the future...

One player would put me in the seats and sell me jerseys. One would not. The Browns aren't exactly in the business of winning, so they should at least be in the business of making money.

 

[billmac91]

Seriously. People need to take the blinders off. Troy has proven NOTHING in the NFL. Wallace looks like an acceptable placeholder. It's not like he's coming in to be the future...

I just don't agree with this NF...he has shown in 2 pre-seasons an ability to make plays and put the ball where it needs to be. He has also limited turnovers and been a strong locker-room guy. The addded bonus is he's a native from Cleveland and a Heisman Trophy winner from Ohio State, who has stated he would "crawl to Cleveland to play for them".

 

[buckeyesin07]

You just suggested a guy that even you characterized as a "roll of the dice". You qualified every statement you made about him in that post.

Take a look at the list of free agent QBs for this year and tell me again that I've convinced myself of something. Find a proven winner in that bunch who's not old as hell and broken down. You're the one who's trying to convince yourself of something, and judging by all the qualifiers you're using, you're not even succeeding at it.

Who do I have to "find a proven winner?" You're changing the argument now. To the extent that you seem to think that Wallace is the best QB available, I should just have to find a QB that's better than him, no?

And if so, is Troy Smith, who has shown flashes in very limited playing time and has the other intangibles that billmac pointed out, not a better option than Wallace?