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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

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FKAGO - Excellent post.

I do disagree in some instances. Was TS our best QB last season, YES. Should he be our starting QB this season, NO.

TS broke the BIGGEST RULE for an amateur athlete. He should and is accepting of his suspension from the NCAA. If this was his first team violation, then I would accept him back with open arms after the NCAA penalty. If this is not his first team violation, then a stricter penalty should apply (in my opinion, 6 games). Again, this is my opinion.

I've spoken to a few alumni from the 68 team and they all think that the job should be Zwick or Boek's to lose. They are very upset of all the negative publicity, and they are really upset at the repeat offenders on the team. They are tired of the few bad apples smearing what the Krenzel's, Foxes, Hall's, and Jenkins' work so hard to build.

It should be a priveledge to play for this team!
 
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stagtennis said:
FKAGO - Excellent post.

I do disagree in some instances. Was TS our best QB last season, YES. Should he be our starting QB this season, NO.

TS broke the BIGGEST RULE for an amateur athlete. He should and is accepting of his suspension from the NCAA. If this was his first team violation, then I would accept him back with open arms after the NCAA penalty. If this is not his first team violation, then a stricter penalty should apply (in my opinion, 6 games). Again, this is my opinion.

I've spoken to a few alumni from the 68 team and they all think that the job should be Zwick or Boek's to lose. They are very upset of all the negative publicity, and they are really upset at the repeat offenders on the team. They are tired of the few bad apples smearing what the Krenzel's, Foxes, Hall's, and Jenkins' work so hard to build.

It should be a priveledge to play for this team!
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So... we shouldn't play the best QB even if he is on the team? Thus we punish the team again? Yeah... that's going to play well... perpetuate a supposed two game suspension into a season in the dog house. That's not how you run a team. If they were going to sit him for the year, they would have suspended him for the year.


My feelings on this issue are well documented elsewhere... and I agree with FKA... and if you want to say he's at the bottom of the depth chart, that's fine with me, but the reality is that he stays on the bottom of the depth chart probably as long as it takes him to take a snap? He's already proven he's better than Zwick, more or less... so unless TB is a freak stud... then... Smith is your man.
 
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Let me ask you AKAK, if JT would have violated some type of rule, what would the result have been? Yes, you are right a few game suspension by the NCAA. What would OSU have done? You're right, they would have asked for his resignation.

Enough of this BS that these are just kids. TS is what, 21 years old? He made a huge mistake, that in many professions would have costed him his job, let alone his career.

I like how you say that is not how you would run a team. Please, great coaches take control of their team. JT has suspended many of his players since he's been there.
 
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ScarletInMyVeins said:
How many times does this have to be said? Smith took the money LONG before any of this new bullshit started with Clarett. Smith took the money in the spring. This was before he was the starting QB, before he took his first snap of the year, hell it was probably before the spring game. So I don't wanna hear about the timing of the incident. Was it wrong of him to take the money? Yes. I think it was just a coincidence that this came out at the same time everything else did, and it is probably a result of OSU looking harder into booster relations (wbb, mbb, fb, whatever else) and we will probably hear about more of these kinds of things.
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Sorry, I should have been more explicit, Scarlet. What I meant was that he took the money well after Clarett had gotten into so much trouble. He not only knew that it was wrong, but the timing is important (after all the trouble for Clarett) because it shows that he damn well knew just how much trouble it could cause if he got caught. Says a lot about just how much he cared for his team and University.
 
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stagtennis said:
Let me ask you AKAK, if JT would have violated some type of rule, what would the result have been? Yes, you are right a few game suspension by the NCAA. What would OSU have done? You're right, they would have asked for his resignation.

Enough of this BS that these are just kids. TS is what, 21 years old? He made a huge mistake, that in many professions would have costed him his job, let alone his career.

I like how you say that is not how you would run a team. Please, great coaches take control of their team. JT has suspended many of his players since he's been there.
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Like I said... my position is well documented.

What would I have done?

I would boot the kid... because that would be on my personal "Don't ever freaking do that list" along with gambling on anything, drug use and felony convictions. But, I'm not the coach, so I don't get to make the list.

What should Tressel do? He should follow the policy that was already established. I don't like the policy... but I do think it should be followed. Period.

Thus, if the policy were to lose my job for wearing jeans to work, then I should lose my job. If the Policy is that I get sent home for the day without pay, I shouldn't get fired.

My point is not that I don't think Smith doesn't deserve to get booted... what I am saying is that if the Athletic Department policy is to give him a two game suspension, then that's what needs to happen.... and at the end of the suspension (and its tougher because its during spring, etc, I realize) then its over.... you bench him longer because you don't like the kid, then that's essentially violating your "policy again... if the best players play.
 
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I agree with Akak 100%.

There's a difference between how you handle the punishment of Smith and how you handle the PT of Smith. If he no longer can lead his team the way he once can and Zwick/TB are capable, then he never plays again. But if this is simply a mistake made by an individual, then handle it as such. All of us want to make an example out of smith for a $700 check. While that is still a big violation, I would call a DUI or statutory rape (I hope it's not true, I'm just using it as a contrast) a MUCH worse mistake to make. His $700 check under most circumstances will not endanger the lives of others or destroy another individuals innocence, self-esteem and mental health.

Anyway, the point is, regardless of how upset you are with smith, you can't change the rulebook now that extenuating circumstances have arisen. The kid made this mistake in the spring of 04 when we were all still happy thinking about how Zwick would help our team to reload and compete for the big 10. Therefore, you can't be inconsistent with your punishment just because it would be more satisfying to our desire to clear tOSU's name. In all actuality, the only people I think that would begin to convince would be ESPiN, because the NCAA seems to be very pleased with how tOSU conducts themselves.

Keep in mind that when he chose to take this money this huge stormcloud wasn't looming over tOSU. The news broke at the absolute worst time for him and the university. This does not mean what he did was not stillw rong or more excusable, rather keep it in context as to when the decision was made. I would bet that if Clarett asked for the money in october he probably would not have received it.
 
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AKAK - nice post, I understand your position much better.

There is obviously an NCAA policy, but does OSU have a policy for punishment here? Or do they 100% go by the NCAA punishment? I'm not clear on the athletic departments policy. If you are correct and they have a policy where they follow the NCAA punishments to a T, then I agree with you.

If the department does not necessarily have a policy to follow the NCAA, then Not because they Don't like the kid (that's a little childish), but bc they believe the punishment should be more severe, the student should be suspended longer.

Buckeyefromscum- disagree 100%.

I'm not talking at all about Smith and timing and clarett and all that bull. Smith broke the #1 rule in amateur athletics. The #1 rule. This has nothing to do with clearing OSU's name or Clarett.

ANyone who has ever played amateur athletics, be it in College or at the national level, understands the severity of taking money. As a former division 1 athlete, let me tell you that these kids go to multiple seminars thorughout the year. They sign document after docuemnt detailing that they understand all rules of amatuer athletics. To a few of you, taking $700 to pay a cell phone bill may sound immaterial, but in the spirit of amateur athletics, this is huge.
 
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I think first of all that his reason for taking the money was a lot more innocent then the typical person would be... so in terms of harsher punishments that wouldn't make sense there...

Plus he has received the hatred and disgust of the entire buckeye nation... there are some who still support him... but none who were not disappointed by his actions... that is a HUGE punishment in and of itself... plus the timing of the two games will cause him to go from being a lock at the QB position for 3 years to possibly never starting again.
 
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then Not because they Don't like the kid (that's a little childish
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Have you read some of these threads? :wink2:

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what the policy is exactly, but since the policy is actually handled by the University based on historical cases (Smith is actually suspended indefinitley at the time of his supension, then they apply for reinstatement)... the University could have asked for four games instead of two.

Anyway, they didn't boot 13 for all the crap he did. They followed the Policy..whatever it is.
 
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There is more to the "punishment" phase than simple suspension. To say that Smith's punishment is complete once his suspension is done is inaccurate. Smith knows, and said so publicly, that he has to start at the bottom of the totem pole upon his return, and this is the guy who was clearly the starter prior to the suspension. Tressel is going to make Smith gain back the trust of his teammates and coaches...that trust is just as important in becoming the starting QB as is pure talent. Smith is going to have to earn back the starting spot...he is not going to get it simply handed back to him once the suspension is done just because he was the starter when the allegations came out. And that's the way it should be.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
There is more to the "punishment" phase than simple suspension. To say that Smith's punishment is complete once his suspension is done is inaccurate. Smith knows, and said so publicly, that he has to start at the bottom of the totem pole upon his return, and this is the guy who was clearly the starter prior to the suspension. Tressel is going to make Smith gain back the trust of his teammates and coaches...that trust is just as important in becoming the starting QB as is pure talent. Smith is going to have to earn back the starting spot...he is not going to get it simply handed back to him once the suspension is done just because he was the starter when the allegations came out. And that's the way it should be.
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i agree with one exception mili

the kids know the WHOLE situation. they never lost faith in troy. they know he tried to help one of his own, aka his teammate maurice, the kids are behind troy and respect him. as far as the depth chart it is a different story and hes shown before he is willing to work hard.
 
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After talking with Zwick on Saturday, there is no chance he transfers. Why should he?? He is in the perfect position an anthlete can be in. This Quarterback position is up for grabs every spring, whether you want to believe it or not. This team has found their identity, no matter who is under center.
 
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jimotis4heisman said:
i agree with one exception mili

the kids know the WHOLE situation. they never lost faith in troy. they know he tried to help one of his own, aka his teammate maurice, the kids are behind troy and respect him. as far as the depth chart it is a different story and hes shown before he is willing to work hard.
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he also lost the faith of his coaches. when how why the mistake was made doesn't matter. how would you feel if one of your employees violated company policy and nearly got you fired? how much faith would you have in that employee after that?
 
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