mooktarr;1578746; said:
Give me a break, Herbstreit hasn't said anything that hasn't been said, implied or posted in here over the last 2 -3 years.
or in the dispatch, or talk radio or national pundits or writers or etc etc...
OH10;1578776; said:
Is that the new standard? Internet message boards are on equal grounds as tv commentators?
if only commentators reached that level...
jwinslow;1578789; said:
and they received a vacation if they used words like fat.
so in the future we should use "conditioning challenged?"
do you think they are in great shape? are they wearing teams down, is that due to conditioning, scheme, inability or another reason?
i havent seen an overly physical club dominating teams in a physical manner. forget sec speed stuff, both of our last two times theyve slammed osu in the trenches, battered osu. both those games proved to rich.
what we saw with usc, the team who lost to washington, was far from a team who played reckless, maybe a team who died on the vine.
id like as much or more than you guys to see this work in progress evolve, ive yet to see a team hungry beyond their years, ive always felt one must have a game before he has a voice, yet ive yet to see guys wade in you know ill say it ownership is needed yet it seems these guys want an easy game it might be a baptism under fire yet this team doesnt have the hunter mentality i dont see a team penning other teams in and challenged to be better we arent seeing guys getting dirty in the trenches we need guys to play with in their means, less can be more and more competitive battles will lead to a shortened learning curve, the team needs focus and increased accountability, the reality is the team needs to find a foundation pump so life into the group and needs someone(s) with "game" to take a vocal initiative.
sparcboxbuck;1578791; said:
Oh, I agree that there are issues... or at a minimum things that don't add up. The promise of talent v. production, I'm sure leaves a lot of people scratching heads. I honestly can't say that I have ever tried to scout, recruit or develop talent like this so I have to leave it to the coaches and the rest of you who have... but without a doubt, I do have a feeling that, for reasons that I likely don't understand, things have not come together as I would have expected. That said... for most of these kids, it's their first or second year getting this kind of playing time. I'll continue to keep my mouth shut and let the coaches do their thing... but I would be lying if I said that I don't hope for more from them next season. So, panties not bunched and scarlet glasses are on my desk.
Regarding the MNC... I'm not suggesting this year that there could or even should be a run. Frankly, I'll be happy for the team to let some of the pressure off and _play_ football. But I still wonder how Herbie will react when this team puts it together the way we hope / know they can.
Guess we'll see. I have more confidence in tOSU football than I do in Herbie... that's for sure.
not saying its not ok to sit on your hands. rather when a guys played 10, 15 or more games or two years i think a reality begins to set in. have we seen vast improvements, slow progress, plateau or regression? those are fair questions and reality. nothing wrong with trusting the coaches, yet nothing wrong with questioning the coaches. or the players and demanding the best.
Magua;1578821; said:
I think you're taking this "fat" thing a lil too far. If these players can't tolerate being called "fat" than they have no business playing for The Ohio State University. You think Bollman is screaming at them during 2-a-days using compliments?
I'm not saying any of this makes Herbie calling them fat right. But if that is the worst thing they have to hear right now than life must sure be good for them. Anyone can call me anything they want if I am getting a full football scholarship to play for the Buckeyes as a 19-22 year old. These kids are getting the opportunity to make millions in the NFL while getting a free, good education. I doubt any of them will cry over someone calling them fat.
But, like I said, it doesn't make Herbie calling them fat right. I just think some of you are getting your panties in an overreactive bunch here. There's a lot more wrong in this world than an analyst calling a handful of athletes fat and lazy.
BUCKYLE;1578842; said:
It's unprofessional. No one's saying they're crying over it. No one is saying the OL even gives a [censored]. What we are saying is it was a cheap shot by someone that has a bully pulpit.
could be. often times their can be a fine line between a cheap shot and the reality check. hard to say in this case. i can see both sides yet its obvious a group gets so fired up anytime anyone says anything about their team. reality can be harsh, even if its a sucker punch...
utgrad73;1578890; said:
If the analyst was talking about Charlie Weis's waist, the size of Hillary's ankles, or deficit, it's OK then? All seem like discussions that should take place at the water cooler or men's urinals rather than in front of a national audience - bully pullpit yes. No one's crying here but Herbie if he doesn't get acceptable ratings. Done more for grandstanding than anything else. I'll still watch him, but if he gets a job sitting next to Mark May - I know where the off switch is.
or if he called a guy short, tall, slow, bad handles, cant tackle, cant throw the long ball, has no touch, etc...
BuckeyeFan 52;1578917; said:
Jesus Christ guys, it was unprofessional, unclassy, and uncalled for. But it's done and over with now, no one is crying over it, no one is losing their cool over it, I don't think the University, nor the football program, nor the coaching staff even gives a [censored] about it.
It's over with, Herbstreit will still co-host College Gameday this Saturday, he'll still have his radio show in Columbus, and he'll still be allowed in his home in Upper Arlington, just like the football team is still going to dress for the game this Saturday, and the coaching staff is still going to prepare the team to play New Mexico State.
What's done is done, it's time to get over it and move on with life.
BUCKYLE;1578922; said:
All his comments degrading tOSU get this kind of response from the loyalists. I'm [censored]ing tired of the bull[censored]. Mark May gets [censored]ing railed on here for less...not that I'm defending that [censored] head. I think just because Herbie went to tOSU doesn't give him the right to be a douchebag.
So, I'll continue to call him on his bull[censored], but thanks for your concern.
the mark may/trev alberts rag game is just a comical and silly.
matcar;1578926; said:
Most of what was said is true. You don't like it...I get that. I agreed that the fat/lazy bit is hyperbole, but the rest is a mighty fair assessment.
BuckeyeFan42;1578941; said:
In the past, I've always been a Herbstreit fan (probably shouldn't admit that), but I think he's gone too far this time. When someone is in the public eye, with a public platform, then tact and discretion should be observed. Why is Griese suspended for his taco comment, and Herbstreit free to call others "fat"? One could argue that both comments were prejudicial. I plan to skip College Game Day this week.
probably since one is purely a racial comment that many consider a slur, the other called a team fat and lazy (while possibly offensive) it has a splinter of truth possibly in conditioning and not based on a blatant racial stereotype.
BUCKYLE;1578943; said:
I think the bit about Pryor's lack of progression is highly suspect. More of a product of unrealistic expectations than reality.
His whole little rant was hyperbole, wich makes it not fair at all.
55% completion, 12 tds, 9 ints, 13 sacks, two games with less than 90 yards passing, two games with more than 14 completions
NCAA DIVISION I FOOTBALL
BUCKYLE;1578953; said:
If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.
what if i dont celebrate christmas rather festivus?