scooter1369
HTTR Forever.
Gut check game for Zwick. I was impressed with his poise and his ability to play through the pain. He was a new man last night.
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if you were a d line man that just got decked by a BROKEN QB, would you just stop playing football and start knitting? that hit was awesome!
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n8butch
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i seem to remember the last ohio state qb that lit up a d-lineman.....belli-sorry! my point, this should be the start of some great things to come from jz. do not make this the lone highlight of your career. i was impressed with his performance in the bowl game. i have watched nearly every game he has played, starting with his orrville days. zwick was allways "the man", four years of being "the man". i think when he took over the reigns at tosu he still felt like he needed to be "the man". this game was the first time i seen him play and be more of a team player and used his surrounding talent. one point that should not be overlooked, the running game was doing it's job. with a good running game, and the recievers that we have and jz under center, he could meet or exceed all our expectations!! great job jz, very gutsy performance!!! (also a first, never battled injury in high school)
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BuckBackHome
Wolverine is largest member of weasel family
JZ showed a lot of growth in last night's game. He showed lots of patience in the pocket, has a very quick release, was into the game mentally and physically, and really seemed to be part of the whole team out there. I saw him pat a few players on the head out there after good and bad plays. He was even laughing on the sidelines in between plays when the game appeared to be in hand. Sometimes early in the season I had the feeling he was one player surrounded by 10 others, instead of 11 together.
Some of his throws were still questionable, but I wonder how much the hamstring pull hurt him and his technique. Herbie certainly was excited to see him play well and through the pain.
JZ will be the starter come next fall. TS is going to miss at least one more game (in my opinion) and unless Boeckman is a man possessed Zwick will start the season at QB. What happens after that is anyone's guess, but three good QB's is a good problem to have.
Some of his throws were still questionable, but I wonder how much the hamstring pull hurt him and his technique. Herbie certainly was excited to see him play well and through the pain.
JZ will be the starter come next fall. TS is going to miss at least one more game (in my opinion) and unless Boeckman is a man possessed Zwick will start the season at QB. What happens after that is anyone's guess, but three good QB's is a good problem to have.
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Brutus1
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I'll give him credit for not making any mistakes. His turnover potential had me worried, but he did well by having no turnovers.
I'm sorry to be the negative voice, but he still can't deliver the ball very well. Sure, the numbers looked ok, but how many of his passes were good, as opposed to bad? I remember a good pass to Schnittker, but not alot of others. The TD pass was just a good catch by Gonzo on a poorly throw ball to a wide open receiver. He had numerous passes that were all overthrown or high.
He'll do good as a backup, but I'm not ready to call him the qb I prefer as the starter next year. If TS comes back, then he's still my choice for starter.
I'm sorry to be the negative voice, but he still can't deliver the ball very well. Sure, the numbers looked ok, but how many of his passes were good, as opposed to bad? I remember a good pass to Schnittker, but not alot of others. The TD pass was just a good catch by Gonzo on a poorly throw ball to a wide open receiver. He had numerous passes that were all overthrown or high.
He'll do good as a backup, but I'm not ready to call him the qb I prefer as the starter next year. If TS comes back, then he's still my choice for starter.
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I beg to differ. Most of Zwick's completions were 8-10 yard passes that were right on the money. It looked like OKst was giving him everything underneath and not giving up the big play. Every time he tried to go deep (especially to Ginn) it seemed like there were a few defenders in coverage. Zwick proved against Marshall that he can hit the deep ball in stride if a team is going to man up on the WR's. Considering the injury I think Zwick had his best overall game and seems to have earned the respect of many fans. I personally think this should be Zwick's job to lose going into next season, especially if Smith is going to be suspended for the first game. To become the starter again Smith will have to practice better than JZ and TB. IMO given the type of QB's that Tressel is recruiting he would probably rather have Zwick in there than Smith. Why recruit dropback QB's if your offense is setup best for mobile QB's?Brutus1 said:I'll give him credit for not making any mistakes. His turnover potential had me worried, but he did well by having no turnovers.
I'm sorry to be the negative voice, but he still can't deliver the ball very well. Sure, the numbers looked ok, but how many of his passes were good, as opposed to bad? I remember a good pass to Schnittker, but not alot of others. The TD pass was just a good catch by Gonzo on a poorly throw ball to a wide open receiver. He had numerous passes that were all overthrown or high.
He'll do good as a backup, but I'm not ready to call him the qb I prefer as the starter next year. If TS comes back, then he's still my choice for starter.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
I think the truth lies somewhere between exhawg and brutus1. Zwick did not play excellent, but he did not play poorly either. He had some very nice looking, accurate passes, but he had others that were more of a duck variety. I have absolutely no problem with the TD pass to Gonzo, as it was thrown to a WIDE open receiver, and IMO Zwick threw a very smart ball - where there was absolutely no risk of an overthrow or INT, and Gonzo could make an easy grab. It wasn't right to him, but it didn't need to be. It was a very smart throw.
As to the whole Zwick v. Smith fiasco, we're all going to get damn tired of this argument by next September. The only thing I'll say here is that I'm sick and tired of people dogging Smith (or simply preferring Zwick) by saying that Smith is a "scrambling QB". He's not. He is athletic. That is not a bad thing. He throws the ball. He is accurate. He has a strong arm. He has proven he makes good decisions with his passes, and he is shown obvious improvement in every single game he has played in. He does not look to run first. He does not scramble needlessly. If you guys want to argue the strengths of these two QB's, then fine, let's do it. But I don't like the argument that Smith is a scrambling QB.
As to the whole Zwick v. Smith fiasco, we're all going to get damn tired of this argument by next September. The only thing I'll say here is that I'm sick and tired of people dogging Smith (or simply preferring Zwick) by saying that Smith is a "scrambling QB". He's not. He is athletic. That is not a bad thing. He throws the ball. He is accurate. He has a strong arm. He has proven he makes good decisions with his passes, and he is shown obvious improvement in every single game he has played in. He does not look to run first. He does not scramble needlessly. If you guys want to argue the strengths of these two QB's, then fine, let's do it. But I don't like the argument that Smith is a scrambling QB.
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BrutuStrength
It's time to bring it!
As was his sideline pass to TG2. On that play, the defender was playing his inside shoulder and Zwick put the ball out of bounds, giving only TG2 the chance to catch the ball. These are the types of passes that QBs need to make in the NFL, and he made several of those last night. He also showed that he is able to drill the quick slants with laser-passes.FKAGobucks877 said:
Overall, while I think Zwick played well, I don't feel enough of his progress has been credited to the offense playing better as a unit. Unlike earlier this season, the Oline gave him ample time to stand in the pocket and make throws. We had a decent running game. We also had a ton of speed at the receiver position which wasn't on the field with him when he previously started. I think that he would have likely played as well earlier this season if the rest of the offense had been as good as it was the last 2 games.
He did really impress me with his gutty performance. I was really happy for him that he not only played through the injury, but that he was able to make plays when we needed them, and that block showed a lot about his heart. I also liked the way that he appeared to be a better leader, and seemed to get a good response from the rest of the team.
I will be happy with whichever QB wins the job next year. They each have pros and cons, but they each possess greater pros than cons. Bring on 2005 already!
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I thought Zwick looked pretty good, especially for being dinged up....
Was it a tour de force performance? (ie Smith Vs scUM) No.... but he still did the right things for the most part and took care of the football.
The other thing we got to see is how things get easier when you can run the ball.... and are playing with a lead.
Anyway...
if we can keep running the ball like we did....
if we keep getting the rock to our big play guys... plural (Hey, Santonio... how good is your film going to look next year after they start Triple covering your pal Ted... stick around it should be fun)
and if the offensive line continues to improve...
and If the D "grows up a year"
Basically if all that stuff continues to improve the QB position becomes an embarrassment of riches... they both can play... they've both performed well under pressure when behind, they've both won a 'big game' and they've both seen they're share of critcism... for whatever reason.
Point is... I feel pretty good with either one of these guys... and I can't remember the last time I felt that way... (No it wasn't the Germaine/Jackson era etiher)...
Chances are, at some point in the next two years... we'll need both of them... so I'm glad its these two and not Belisari v Moherman (sp? too lazy to look it up)
Was it a tour de force performance? (ie Smith Vs scUM) No.... but he still did the right things for the most part and took care of the football.
The other thing we got to see is how things get easier when you can run the ball.... and are playing with a lead.
Anyway...
if we can keep running the ball like we did....
if we keep getting the rock to our big play guys... plural (Hey, Santonio... how good is your film going to look next year after they start Triple covering your pal Ted... stick around it should be fun)
and if the offensive line continues to improve...
and If the D "grows up a year"
Basically if all that stuff continues to improve the QB position becomes an embarrassment of riches... they both can play... they've both performed well under pressure when behind, they've both won a 'big game' and they've both seen they're share of critcism... for whatever reason.
Point is... I feel pretty good with either one of these guys... and I can't remember the last time I felt that way... (No it wasn't the Germaine/Jackson era etiher)...
Chances are, at some point in the next two years... we'll need both of them... so I'm glad its these two and not Belisari v Moherman (sp? too lazy to look it up)
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BuckeyeBlitz04
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I agree with you on this one....
He showed me finally that he has some heart and leadership! Good job Justin! You made us all proud!jlb1705 said:
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Brutus1
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FKAGobucks877 said:
I wasn't implying that JZ played poorly, just that he didn't play as well as others seem to think he did. Maybe I'm just wondering how he will play when it's not such a lopsided game.
Maybe I was just overreacting to the missed throws. Afterall, he only had 10 incompletions vs. 17 completions.
It just seemed to me that of those 10 incompletions, the majority were high throws, as were some completions. Maybe someone that taped it can rewatch it to see if maybe I am wrong.
I still will not say that ther td pass was a "very smart throw". If the defender was right on Gonzo's back, then I'll agree, but Gonzo was WIDE open with no one between him and the sidelines. I don't believe that he made that throw on purpose. It's just the way he throws. Still, it was a td and I guess thats all that matters
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cincibuckeyenut
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Here is the thing on that throw. There was a corner underneath and a safety to the right. He had a big box to throw it to, but he needed to keep it out of range of both of those two and he didn't know how quickly Gonzo would get out of his break. It could have been a little bit better, but it was not a bad throw at all.Brutus1 said:
I can see Gonzo have 7-8 touchdowns next year. The kid has jets, but with Ginn and Holmes around, he will get some fabulous matchups and will seriously burn some people. I would not be surprised to see those three get some props next year as the best WR core in the nation.
The other thing I think you might see is Roy Hall play a bigger role next year. I think Ginn will play CB and so I think he will get fewer snaps on the offensive side of the ball. Hall or Lyons will come up big more than once in that role.
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JohnnyCockfight
Beer is God's proof that he loves us.
if someone finds a picture of Zwick blowing up that defensive lineman, please post it here.
The o-zone has a couple great pics of big hits on Okla State's QB Woods by Quinn Pitcock and then AJ Hawk. Hawk's hit looks poetic.
The o-zone has a couple great pics of big hits on Okla State's QB Woods by Quinn Pitcock and then AJ Hawk. Hawk's hit looks poetic.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
Zwick or Smith or Boeckman?
I thought Zwick played well for a guy that has not seen action with live bullets for over two months, he was not perfect but he was effiecient and error free and that is all this team needs.
I love the hit and his ability to play through the pain, he earned most of the buckeye nations respect just for that, but I thought he looked more mature out there and that is amazing since he was forced into the starting role and having to learn a relatively new system with new pieces in place on the line and at receiver.
I say give the guy a chance in the spring, I think he deserves it.
As far as Troy goes, its a tough call, he has completely embarrased himself and the university. He is supposed to be the leader of the team, I don't think he is ready for that role. Will he even be with the program in the spring? No one knows how this is going to play out.
With his status up in the air, I would bet money Zwick is the starter, unless Boekman plays like another Bobby Hoying in the spring.
I like our development at the qb position, I just hope that the off the field stuff will get sorted out and we can get back to worrying about what happens on the field.
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I thought Zwick played well for a guy that has not seen action with live bullets for over two months, he was not perfect but he was effiecient and error free and that is all this team needs.
I love the hit and his ability to play through the pain, he earned most of the buckeye nations respect just for that, but I thought he looked more mature out there and that is amazing since he was forced into the starting role and having to learn a relatively new system with new pieces in place on the line and at receiver.
I say give the guy a chance in the spring, I think he deserves it.
As far as Troy goes, its a tough call, he has completely embarrased himself and the university. He is supposed to be the leader of the team, I don't think he is ready for that role. Will he even be with the program in the spring? No one knows how this is going to play out.
With his status up in the air, I would bet money Zwick is the starter, unless Boekman plays like another Bobby Hoying in the spring.
I like our development at the qb position, I just hope that the off the field stuff will get sorted out and we can get back to worrying about what happens on the field.
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