ScarletArrow
I'm wearing Gold Pants
Good stats. Any stats comparing Hoying, Germain, maybe even Schlicter (sp?) in their early years?Oh8ch said:
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slobberknocker
All-American
damn it does this mean I can't officiate. 
glad its a done deal both of you had some good points, it always gets pretty ugly around these boards after we lose. I usally browse but don't respond until the next morning. :osu:
glad its a done deal both of you had some good points, it always gets pretty ugly around these boards after we lose. I usally browse but don't respond until the next morning. :osu:
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tundra1
Heisman
Oh8ch...I think you should check your math.Oh8ch said:
Looking at the stats, Zwick was 15-31 for 125 yds.
Yds per attempt = 125 / 31 = 4.03 yds per pass attempt.
Yds per completion = 125 / 15 = 8.3 yds per completion.
4.03 yds per attempt really isn't good.
For his season statistics to date, we have Zwick so far as 75-146, 946 yds (6.5 yds/attempt).
Compare this to other OSU quarterbacks early in their careers:
Krenzel '02: 148-249, 2110 yds (8.5 yds per attempt)
Bellisari '99: 101-224, 1616 yds (7.2 yds per attempt)
Germaine '97: 120-210, 1847 yds (8.8 yds/att)
Jackson '96: 87-165, 1298 yds (7.9 yds/att)
Hoying '93: 109-202, 1570 yds (7.8 yds/att)
Herbstreit '92: 155-264, 1904 yds (7.2 yds/att)
Graham '91: 79-153, 1018 yds (6.7 yds/att)
Tupa '87: 134-242, 1786 yds (7.4 yds/att)
Karsatos '85: 177-289, 2311 yds (8.0 yds/att)
Tomczak '82: 96-187, 1602 yds (8.6 yds/att)
Schlichter '78: 87-175, 1250 yds (7.1 yds/att)
Zwick's stats so far are below all of the data points shown in yards per attempt, and the only other one less than 7 yds/attempt was Kent Graham in 1991.
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DiHard
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i just did a computer simulation where i plugged the current Peyton Manning in as the quarterback for Ohio State.....in the game....Manning was 9 of 23 for 101 yards, no td's, no ints....he did run 13 times for 52 yards as the Buckeyes beat Idaho in the Shoe 13-9....the buckeye defense stopped the vandals on the buckeye 13 yard line as time expired....
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Buckeyehead
Banned
I'm neither pro-Zwick nor pro-Smith, because all I know is what I see on Saturday. Unlike some, I don't claim to know more about them than Tressel. I also don't assume that the guy on the bench is always better.
There are some things I do know, however:
If you can actually watch this offense, and come to the conclusion that the only thing wrong with it is the QB, you need to put down the remote, and slowly walk away from the TV. Blaming the QB is the easiest thing in the world, because it requires the least understanding of the game - my grandmother always thinks the back-up QB is the answer, not unlike certain posters. Last year, it was Krenzel/McMullen, this year it's Zwick/Smith - only the names and the date on the calendar have changed.
Our offensive line may be big, but they lack quickness. We run between the tackles all the time because they can't pull quickly enough to be effective. This is also why trap plays rarely work, and outside speed rushers get after Zwick. So what's left? Run between the tackles and quick passes or max protect - predictable, and easy to stop. Throw in average/good - but not great RBs - and it gets even easier.
Has Zwick struggled? You betcha. Is it a given Smith would do better? No. Is QB the only problem on this team? I wish.
But hey, don't let any of that get in the way of Zwick being named the Official Scapegoat for our offense. It's easy, it's quick, and it helps to vent frustration. Knock yourselves out.
There are some things I do know, however:
If you can actually watch this offense, and come to the conclusion that the only thing wrong with it is the QB, you need to put down the remote, and slowly walk away from the TV. Blaming the QB is the easiest thing in the world, because it requires the least understanding of the game - my grandmother always thinks the back-up QB is the answer, not unlike certain posters. Last year, it was Krenzel/McMullen, this year it's Zwick/Smith - only the names and the date on the calendar have changed.
Our offensive line may be big, but they lack quickness. We run between the tackles all the time because they can't pull quickly enough to be effective. This is also why trap plays rarely work, and outside speed rushers get after Zwick. So what's left? Run between the tackles and quick passes or max protect - predictable, and easy to stop. Throw in average/good - but not great RBs - and it gets even easier.
Has Zwick struggled? You betcha. Is it a given Smith would do better? No. Is QB the only problem on this team? I wish.
But hey, don't let any of that get in the way of Zwick being named the Official Scapegoat for our offense. It's easy, it's quick, and it helps to vent frustration. Knock yourselves out.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
Good post, Buckeyehead. But if you think Zwick hasn't/doesn't/won't have problems, that's also a bad over-generalization. Zwick has proven nothing so far this year but that he is inaccurate, and has a tendency towards bad decision making. Are there mitigating circumstances? Of course, and you mentioned a lot of them. But he still needs to put the ball where our WR's can catch it, and he hasn't been able to do that consistently. Should he shoulder all the blame? No way in hell. But some of it - some - does rest on his shoulders.
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JXC
17-4 since 2001
We suck at the basics...we need a line and running game. I don't know if anybody will look right at QB until we fix other problems...but on the few times that Zwick gets time to throw and has an open reciever...he struggles. Maybe they have really really stressed on him to not throw picks...and so he hasn't thrown picks, and instead he's thrown the ball way to far in front of the reciever. That's my thought...maybe they really aren't letting him go out there and just do what he can do. Just like I don't think they let Smith go out there and do what he can do. Nobody is stepping up on this offense...NOBODY! Our LBs are so good at turning it up a notch...maybe we should play them both ways.
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scarletghost
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Zwick's #s
Zwick is currently 55th in the country passing---
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national%20rankings/IA_playerpass.html
89th in the nation in passing efficiency (note where Henne & Ainge are)---
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national%20rankings/IA_playerpasseff.html
Zwick is currently 55th in the country passing---
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national%20rankings/IA_playerpass.html
89th in the nation in passing efficiency (note where Henne & Ainge are)---
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/national%20rankings/IA_playerpasseff.html
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TallIndian
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per ANT
Anyone who thinks that Zwick is the man for the job, is instantly banned from this site !<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->__________________
BE EASY !!
I have stayed away from sites for the last few weeks just because of the anger and grief flowing from the two loses.
While I am reading through this post, I am struck by ANT dishing crap about Zwick, just to make his man Smith look better.
I think Smith should be given his chance ....
but we don't have to trash Zwick to do it ...
The thing that irks me the most, is ANT crying about bullies, but starts the thread threatening to ban anyone who disagrees from the board.
ANT was listed as a moderator, who would have the power to delete posts
and shut down threads. So this does not seem like an idle threat.
Repeat after me ... ALL Hail Smith ... or be banned from the board.
But no ... there is no bullying or favortism here ..... yeah, right.
DIHARD .... you put the man in MANIC... strong work.
For now ... I will take Claritys advice, and just put ANT on my ignor list....
Hasta La Vista Baby
Anyone who thinks that Zwick is the man for the job, is instantly banned from this site !<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->__________________
BE EASY !!
I have stayed away from sites for the last few weeks just because of the anger and grief flowing from the two loses.
While I am reading through this post, I am struck by ANT dishing crap about Zwick, just to make his man Smith look better.
I think Smith should be given his chance ....
but we don't have to trash Zwick to do it ...
The thing that irks me the most, is ANT crying about bullies, but starts the thread threatening to ban anyone who disagrees from the board.
ANT was listed as a moderator, who would have the power to delete posts
and shut down threads. So this does not seem like an idle threat.
Repeat after me ... ALL Hail Smith ... or be banned from the board.
But no ... there is no bullying or favortism here ..... yeah, right.
DIHARD .... you put the man in MANIC... strong work.
For now ... I will take Claritys advice, and just put ANT on my ignor list....
Hasta La Vista Baby
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TI, mod or not I think the sane mods and admin could overrule Ant on any Smith related bannings. There are pro-Smith anti-Zwick/Tressel flamers that are much worse than ant. Just look for the people with red rubies next to their name. At least Ant makes a good point every once and a while about other topics.
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ant is no longer a mod so rest easy. That said it's hard to justify why Troy wasn't given at least a series or two but the guys in charge get paid to make those decisions.
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TallIndian
Senior
I just read most of Tressel's Press conferance ....
and he was asked why Smith didn't see the field ....
JT's answer was sort of two part ....
#1 he said Zwick has seperated himself from Smith, and just like at linebacker ... you stick with the better player and help them get the reps they need to get better, then in response to why Smith wasn't given a few snaps, he said that you are not given anything at OSU ... you earn what you get on the practice field.
Good enough for me ..... there are things happening at practice that WE
do not know ....
and he was asked why Smith didn't see the field ....
JT's answer was sort of two part ....
#1 he said Zwick has seperated himself from Smith, and just like at linebacker ... you stick with the better player and help them get the reps they need to get better, then in response to why Smith wasn't given a few snaps, he said that you are not given anything at OSU ... you earn what you get on the practice field.
Good enough for me ..... there are things happening at practice that WE
do not know ....
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
....yet those same things done in practice were enough to warrant Smith's elder players from selecting him ahead of Zwick in the last two spring games...
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When Zwick throws a tight spiral and gets the ball to his receivers he's a pretty impressive QB. However, the last three games, especially against Wisconsin, he's been been throwing up so many quackers, we should install duck blinds along the opposing sidelines.
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And this was back in the spring, this is 6 months later. The players have a different read on players. The past 2 years he went ahead of Zwick was mainly due to his athletic ability and counting on the fact that all they need him to do was run around. But funny thing this past spring, you take away the QB ability to scramble and those same players that picked Smith first tried to trade for Zwick.
But like I said, 6 months is plenty of time to separate. I like to look at what Danielson said during the telecast and also with Herbie on Monday on 1460. Danielson said that Zwick was making every throw in practice. He was clearly the better QB in practice. But for some reason it did not get to the field.
But that last part is huge, Zwick didn't bring it to the game on Saturday. This is probable why Tressel has not wavered from Zwick. He sees the promise, and is waiting for that switch to turn on during a game, and with a young player once that switch turns on... we might have a special one. We want to see tangible game proof that Zwick is better. The problem is Tressel is more patient than us fans.
But like I said, 6 months is plenty of time to separate. I like to look at what Danielson said during the telecast and also with Herbie on Monday on 1460. Danielson said that Zwick was making every throw in practice. He was clearly the better QB in practice. But for some reason it did not get to the field.
But that last part is huge, Zwick didn't bring it to the game on Saturday. This is probable why Tressel has not wavered from Zwick. He sees the promise, and is waiting for that switch to turn on during a game, and with a young player once that switch turns on... we might have a special one. We want to see tangible game proof that Zwick is better. The problem is Tressel is more patient than us fans.
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