Proof of the Existence of God

[Buckeneye]

Okay again. I've never said that those kids died because they did something wrong..

Correct. You said they died because others we're "sinning" and God apparently decided to take it out on them. See here...

I think that God punishes those who are obviously disregarding/disobeying him and his word..

... is there honestly any other way that is supposed to be interpreted??
(Rhetorical - of course there isn't)

In my first post I said there is evil in this world

Not really. I read it. It said

For example, the fact that as a country we are starting to allow gay marriage, he will punish our country for that, as it is clearly written that homosexuality is a sin..

I know of a gay couple that lives on Chestnut (street) wonderful people. Keep to themselves, have a nice house, nice jobs (from what I gather) one of the few houses that still puts out candy for Halloween, puts up the seasonal decor for every holiday etc etc. Very polite and down to earth. Haven't heard a peep from them that would be negative. "Model" citizens if you will...

So you're trying to tell me that God slayed innocent Children in CT because of their lifestyle in Ohio...? I want a 'Yes' or 'No' response.

If you say 'No' you're directly contradicting

This.

For example, the fact that as a country we are starting to allow gay marriage, he will punish our country for that, as it is clearly written that homosexuality is a sin..

And... this

I think that God punishes those who are obviously disregarding/disobeying him and his word..

And what you're really saying is that the innocent (children) will be slaughtered for the "mistakes" of people that have zero connection to their lives... ?



I've grown up in the church. Catholic, Baptist, Nazarene. I've close Jewish, Hindu, Buddist & Islamic friends. I've had several of those friends give me insight into their faiths. I've personally read into their beliefs, customs, ideas and practices.

So allow me to impress upon you the truest and most common tone I've found that any and all religions share that not many people seem to understand - Humility.

There is something, an ideal, a thought, a "being" greater than one's self. Faith isn't something to be expressed in verbage, speeches or lectures - but in action. In the depth of human compassion with something as simple as a gesture, a kind word, a smile a hug... Or something large like a donation, food, whatever. Imprinting a lasting feeling upon one other soul to let someone know that decency, character and compassion trandscend age, race, creed, language barrier, time and religous idealogy.

Its the reason I left the church and maintain my own close relationship with God.

Few people there seemed to grasp this concept in organized religion. I witnessed fights in the church (Baptist) my pastor walking out of a porn-shop off the freeway (Catholic) and seeing my friend Martellus asked to leave because he was black (Nazarene)...

However these "Holy Men" have nothing to do with the "consequences" being brought down on the heads of small children... do they? Of course not... We turn a blind eye to those people and focus on decent individuals based on pages of the word of God that have been corrupted by man for thousands of years.

This is why I ignore mass faiths and doctrine's. It's not much different then high school. You're spoon fed shit that you're then asked to puke back up without much actual learning beyond the book.

You're going to be very shocked to find out what God meant when the word said "Created in his image"...

 

[Mac]

Seriously you want to argue about a broad statement? I never once said that God was punishing those in CT. God punishes those who disregard/disobey. And because I said that, those families automatically fall into that category? It's okay, you can twist stuff around all you want.

I have nothing against gay people other than they are blatantly sinning. They are human beings just like me, and they deserve as much respect and love as i do. I have a cousin, who is gay. Love him to death, but I hate the fact that because he has a lifestyle of that, he may suffer in later


Look at my 2nd to last sentence in the 2nd paragraph.

 

[Buckeye Maniac]

Seriously you want to argue about a broad statement? I never once said that God was punishing those in CT. God punishes those who disregard/disobey. And because I said that, those families automatically fall into that category? It's okay, you can twist stuff around all you want.

I have nothing against gay people other than they are blatantly sinning. They are human beings just like me, and they deserve as much respect and love as i do. I have a cousin, who is gay. Love him to death, but I hate the fact that because he has a lifestyle of that, he may suffer in later


Look at my 2nd to last sentence in the 2nd paragraph.

Then why did you pick now to bring it up? Your post seemed to be in response to Thump's post about the shooting.

I have a gay brother. I can tell you with 100% certainty that he did not choose that lifestyle. He was born gay. My parents suspected he was gay very early in his life. So if god made him that way, then god preordained him to be a sinner. That makes god evil.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Seriously you want to argue about a broad statement? I never once said that God was punishing those in CT. God punishes those who disregard/disobey. And because I said that, those families automatically fall into that category? It's okay, you can twist stuff around all you want.

I have nothing against gay people other than they are blatantly sinning. They are human beings just like me, and they deserve as much respect and love as i do. I have a cousin, who is gay. Love him to death, but I hate the fact that because he has a lifestyle of that, he may suffer in later


Look at my 2nd to last sentence in the 2nd paragraph.

We are all blatant sinners, brother.

 

[jwinslow]

God does whatever He feels like doing.

As pithy humans we can't fully comprehend a basic concept like His existence, let alone understand the variables, reasons and purposes of things that happen in life.

Whatever you happen to believe about God and various religions, I would say the above is a somewhat safe statement.



As for "God leaving the schools" that's on us, not the lawmakers and curriculum writers.

 

[Brewtus]

God does whatever He feels like doing.

As pithy humans we can't fully comprehend a basic concept like His existence, let alone understand the variables, reasons and purposes of things that happen in life.

Whatever you happen to believe about God and various religions, I would say the above is a somewhat safe statement.

That's a cop-out and is no more useful than saying "God works in mysterious ways". I'm not sure how anyone can believe in something that they are not able to define with any characteristics or behaviors. Especially the Christian God, which is supposed to be a personal God and has a guide book with over a thousand-pages written about him. A personal God that is completely unknowable is not useful and not worthy of belief.

 

[jwinslow]

That's a cop-out and is no more useful than saying "God works in mysterious ways".

so hypothetically speaking:

1) Your mind can fully grasp the concept of a being that exists outside of time, interacts and adjusts to things within time, and had no origin himself ? Or is that a bit outside of our wheelhouse?

2) you can also grasp the reasons things would happen in a God run universe and what went into them, from the umptillion ones that led into it and will result from it, to the interference or allowance of God in terms of adjusting what happens.

I'm not sure how anyone can believe in something that they are not able to define with any characteristics or behaviors.

I hope you stretched before that leap.

Somehow because I admit I can't fully grasp supernatural concepts like omnipresence, omniscience and predestination vs free will that means I believe in an empty vacuum that I know nothing about and cannot define.

Especially the Christian God, which is supposed to be a personal God and has a guide book with over a thousand-pages written about him.

I thought I couldn't define anything sbojt him? Which is it?

A personal God that is completely unknowable is not useful and not worthy of belief.

more things that I did not say. As for the obvious dig at wasting my time worshipping and following something beyond full comprehension, I have found women to be impossible to fully grasp and I chose the most straight forward one I have ever met. :p

 

[Brewtus]

so hypothetically speaking:

1) Your mind can fully grasp the concept of a being that exists outside of time, interacts and adjusts to things within time, and had no origin himself ? Or is that a bit outside of our wheelhouse?

I fully admit to not understanding those concepts. How do you know that those are the characteristics of God and why should I believe you?

2) you can also grasp the reasons things would happen in a God run universe and what went into them, from the umptillion ones that led into it and will result from it, to the interference or allowance of God in terms of adjusting what happens.

I can't grasp those things either, but once again do you have a good reason for believing that? How do you know that God has a hand in running the universe? What can you show me to make me believe? If God can physically interact with the universe then there must be some residual physical evidence.

Somehow because I admit I can't fully grasp supernatural concepts like omnipresence, omniscience and predestination vs free will that means I believe in an empty vacuum that I know nothing about and cannot define.

Well you must have some basic concept or description of what God is like to believe in him. How did you determine those basic concepts are accurate?

I thought I couldn't define anything sbojt him? Which is it?more things that I did not say. As for the obvious dig at wasting my time worshipping and following something beyond full comprehension, I have found women to be impossible to fully grasp and I chose the most straight forward one I have ever met. :p

While women may not be comprehensible, I can still see, smell, touch, talk and interact with them. Consequently I have good reason to believe they most likely exist. How can I do the same with God?

 

[Thump]

Seriously you want to argue about a broad statement? I never once said that God was punishing those in CT. God punishes those who disregard/disobey. And because I said that, those families automatically fall into that category? It's okay, you can twist stuff around all you want.

I have nothing against gay people other than they are blatantly sinning. They are human beings just like me, and they deserve as much respect and love as i do. I have a cousin, who is gay. Love him to death, but I hate the fact that because he has a lifestyle of that, he may suffer in later


Look at my 2nd to last sentence in the 2nd paragraph.

What are your thoughts on suicide?

Are all who commit it destined for hell?

 

[Mac]

What are your thoughts on suicide?

Are all who commit it destined for hell?

That's not for me to decide. I'm not the one who ultimately says hell or heaven. I think suicide is wrong. It's breaking the 6th commandment "thou shall not murder". And you're breaking one of the most precious things God gave us to begin with, life. The only unforgiving sin in the bible is rejecting Christ and insulting the Holy Spirit.

 

[muffler dragon]

So... I've been trying to come up with the best Paint Thinner recipe for maximum effect during inhalation. What do you guys think? I'm going with the following:

n-Butyl Acetate 5 parts
Toluene 1 part
MIBK 1 part
MAK 1 part
Acetone 2 parts

I'd throw in some Methanol, but you know...
I'm not really into premature blindness nor death.

 

[muffler dragon]

Are all who commit it destined for hell?

First, you'd have to "prove" that either Christian destination exists.

 

[Thump]

That's not for me to decide. I'm not the one who ultimately says hell or heaven. I think suicide is wrong. It's breaking the 6th commandment "thou shall not murder". And you're breaking one of the most precious things God gave us to begin with, life.

Does God not state that one is hell-bound if committing suicide?

Do you believe there is ever an instance where suicide in justified?

 

[Thump]

So... I've been trying to come up with the best Paint Thinner recipe for maximum effect during inhalation. What do you guys think? I'm going with the following:

n-Butyl Acetate 5 parts
Toluene 1 part
MIBK 1 part
MAK 1 part
Acetone 2 parts

I'd throw in some Methanol, but you know...
I'm not really into premature blindness nor death.

I prefer chloroform.

 

[jwinslow]

Does God not state that one is hell-bound if committing suicide?

no

Do you believe there is ever an instance where suicide in justified?

No. I am sure there are plenty of situations where I might think about it though, and without being in them it is impossible to judge fairly how I would act.