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Pro Bowl

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muffler dragon;1032297; said:
I happen to agree with the commentators from the Pittsburgh-Jaxonville game that it's a travesty that Fred Taylor has never been selected.
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His best years were

1998 10th in yards, tied for 2nd in TDs

2000 6th in yards, 6th in TDs

2002 9th in yards, below 10th in TDs

2003 6th in yards, below 10th in TDs

2004 10th in yards, below 10th in TDs

Arguably he was a borderline snub twice. Though he was never a clear top choice.
 
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Tonyank;1032442; said:
BS... Anderson > Big Ben

No KWII = BS, Tony G is garbage on a bad team.

Good job Cribbs

Driver over Jennings I think sucks, but like said by OC Popularity contest :/
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Yeah Driver over several WRs is dumb.

Driver has the same stats as Bobby Engram, the possession receiver in Seattle. Im surprised Colston didnt make it with more yards and 7 more TDs, or Plaxico with 8 more TDs.

By the way, the only defensive player to start every game for Miami, Jason Taylor is going. I didnt even vote for him.

Nice to see Sean Taylor make it too.
 
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OCBucksFan;1032587; said:
Who would you send from Jacksonville over the San Diego options?
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It's not a matter of comparing specific Jax players to Chargers.

The cheater, Merriman, gets in. He should be out. Winslow should be in over Gates. Someone has to explain to me how Jamal Williams is a Pro-Bowler.

Taylor should be in over Fast (disappearing) Willie Parker and Joseph Addai.

I'm sure there are other examples of Jags players left out that a Jax fan can explain. But what cannot be explained is how 8 players from an underachieving team are in, but zero players from a better team are not. The other Chargers' players must be really shitty.
 
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I think Gates deserves to be there. Hard to argue against his 9 TDs.

A few snubs - Mario Williams, Brandon Marshall, Vince Manuwai, Kellen Winslow, Eric Steinbach, Barrett Ruud

Terrence Newman and Jonathan Ogden probably don't deserve to be there.. both are great players, but both have missed significant time. Donald Driver made it over Marques Colston. Quick statistical comparison:

Driver - 78 rec/1016 yds/2 TDs
Colston - 87 rec/1092 yds/9 TDs

Hmm..
 
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OH10;1032625; said:
It's not a matter of comparing specific Jax players to Chargers.

The cheater, Merriman, gets in. He should be out. Winslow should be in over Gates. Someone has to explain to me how Jamal Williams is a Pro-Bowler.

Taylor should be in over Fast (disappearing) Willie Parker and Joseph Addai.

I'm sure there are other examples of Jags players left out that a Jax fan can explain. But what cannot be explained is how 8 players from an underachieving team are in, but zero players from a better team are not. The other Chargers' players must be really shitty.
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Regarding your comment on San Diego, I don't really get it. The Chargers have a lot of "NFL Stars" and I can't see some huge fan base flooding, most of this talent is also recent draft picks, Cromartie, two years ago, Merriman 3, etc...

LaDainian Tomlinson - Seems to set a record every game at this point. First 6 seasons he's over 1200 yards each.
Lorenzo Neal - Best Fullback in football.
Antonio Gates - I don't think I need to say anymore, especially with the year he's having.
Jamal Williams - Solid player, maybe someone else could have gone in his place, but at his position few have the consitancy he has.
Shawne Merriman - Don't really need to say much here, off the Roids, still a beast.
Antonio Cromartie - Leads the league in interceptions

Now, Dielman and Osgood, those I could see getting skipped, honestly, they are great players but I was surprised to see them in the pro-bowl. There's other players like Champ Bailey who I feel was just there based on past perfomances, but 6 of the 8 chargers have been great this year and considering they started off 1-3 and were looking like they wouldn't make the playoffs, people were saying they were dead and saying Tomlinson wouldn't even get 1000 yards this season, the Bolts have rebounded and if they take care of Denver and the Raiders they would finish 11-5, Same as the Steelers and Browns.

You're going to see Tomlinson, Gates and Merriman make it most years, they have dominated their positions since coming into the league, and even though Merriman isn't having the impact he had last year, his effect on the field is obvious, quarterbacks are rushing their passes leading to more interceptions, and on the other side Shaun Philips has 7.5 sacks, add Merrimans 11.5 to that and you're staring at scary defensive numbers.

Do I think Fred Taylor should make the pro-bowl? Yes, but who do you toss out? Tomlinson is who he is, Addai has had a huge impact on and Parker looks great when you compare to the season that Pittsburgh had last year.

Jacksonville plays a very team game, they don't have a lot of shining stars, as opposed to San Diego who has a lot of stars and then decent supporting cast. Both are small market teams, so it's not like they get the flood of Dallas or Boston voters going crazy.

It is what it is, a huge popularity contest, but you can't take away from a team because you feel another team got screwed, the numbers are there, and there's other players who put up numbers in San Diego that aren't there because someone at a similiar position was.

AND WINSLOW OVER GATES? :slappy: give me a break, Winslow over Gonzalez I could have agreed with, but Gates is fucking awesome.
 
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AND WINSLOW OVER GATES? :slappy: give me a break, Winslow over Gonzalez I could have agreed with, but Gates is fucking awesome.[/quote]


Antonio Gates 68 catches
898 receptions
13.2 49 9

Kellen Winslow 71 971 13.7 49 5

Hmm more catches, more yards, and on a team with a better record. I feel like I could make a decent argument that Winslow should be in over Gates even though Gates has more touchdowns.
 
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