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osugrad21

Capo Regime
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Started one thread praising the fans, here is the other side of the coin:

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[FONT=Verdana,Times New Roman,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Ohio State student accused of hitting 3 with car posts bond[/FONT]
Tuesday, September 12, 2006 COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) ? An Ohio State University student accused of hitting an administrator and two others with his car as students celebrated the Buckeyes? win over Texas posted bond and was released from jail Monday, a jail official said.
George Karadimas, 22, was charged with aggravated vehicular assault. Authorities said the car went through a temporary command post set up in the driveway of a student union early Sunday.
Barbara Rich, assistant vice president for student affairs, and her husband were treated at Ohio State University Medical Center for minor injuries, and Battalion Fire Chief Kevin O?Connor was treated at the scene for bumps and bruises, O?Connor said.
Karadimas? bond was set at $45,045 at a hearing Monday, according to court records.
The celebration of the top-ranked Buckeyes? 24-7 win over then-No.2 Texas also sparked fires near the campus. Burning couches, mattresses and trash bins were among the about 40 fires set in student neighborhoods, police said. Columbus police arrested 17 people, charging five with arson and the rest with disorderly conduct and alcohol-related offenses.
The fire department charged three people with open burning. One man also was charged with arson because the couch fire he was accused of setting damaged a vehicle.
Most students hadn?t returned to campus because fall classes don?t start until Sept. 20.
The victory Saturday kept the Buckeyes in perfect position for a national title run. The Longhorns, who saw their 21-game winning streak snapped and fell to No. 8, are the defending national champions.
 
I have not heard anything about Ohio State beating Texas from friends here in South Africa. I have had three people ask me if I "heard about the rioting students at Ohio State."

This behavior hurts Ohio State. It hurts Columbus. It is not a laughing matter.

In my opinion, it needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
 
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Steve19;603913; said:
This behavior hurts Ohio State. It hurts Columbus. It is not a laughing matter.

In my opinion, it needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Don't worry, some of the finest lawyers in Columbus will handle these malcontents, just as soon as they finish their first objective, ridding the Internet of all pictures of JT's office.
 
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Steve19;603913; said:
I have not heard anything about Ohio State beating Texas from friends here in South Africa. I have had three people ask me if I "heard about the rioting students at Ohio State."

This behavior hurts Ohio State. It hurts Columbus. It is not a laughing matter.

In my opinion, it needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I hate people that never say anything when OSU does something positive but want to show up to talk about OSU to me if they lose or if "students" (i.e., assorted near-campus scum, kids summering in C-Bus from their MAC schools, and a handful of actual OSU students) cause trouble. I still remember that in the end most of the "students" arrested after the 2002 UM game weren't OSU students:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/Midwest/11/25/columbus.disturbances/index.html

I'm sick of the shit too. Any student nailed should be supended for at least a year and prosecuted as appropriate, and any student from another school should be prosecuted and referred to their school for further action.
 
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I've seen Karadimas mentioned every time the media turns its gaze to this weekend's extracurricular activities, but does his drunk-driving really belong in the "bad fan" category? Was he shouting "Woo hoo Go Bucks!" as he crashed through the barrier and into the OSU VP??

Has it been determined whether any of the other people arrested were actually OSU students?
 
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Seriously - I just dont get this behavior. "Yeah - our team just won. Lets go destroy something!"

Not sure why this is happening in Columbus. I dont even recall fires being started in NY after the Yankees won the WS.
 
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I remember the riots that ensued the faculty decision NOT to go to the Rose Bowl in 1961. I've recorded that night in my writing. Jerry is my fictional self. In those days the Columbus cops were brutal and had a hard on for students. I don't know what their mentality is today. Anyway, as you will see rioting over football is a part of the tradition...

In late November the Buckeyes traveled to Ann Arbor and pummeled Michigan 50 to 20 to end the season undefeated and ranked first in the nation. That Sunday night the faculty council voted against accepting the Rose Bowl invitation. Signs appeared all over the campus as students vented their anger against the faculty. Didn?t they understand how important a part of Ohio State football was?
Jerry was eating his meal in the Student Union dining hall when he noticed a stream of students hurrying past the Union and on their way to High Street. He ate quickly and then went outside to see what was going on for himself. Most of the marching band had formed up, clad in their gray wool jackets. Students kept pouring onto High Street and soon all traffic was brought to a stop. Buses were trapped and could only sit by the curb, their interior lights glowing in the twilight. Someone started a bonfire in the middle of High, the flames reaching higher and higher as students dragged tree branches, discarded cardboard boxes from behind the bookstores and diners that lined High Street and emptied trashcans onto the inferno. Jerry heard sirens as both police and firemen tried to respond but the sheer numbers of the students made their efforts all but wasted. Photographers from the Columbus newspapers scrambled up street light poles and aimed their cameras down at the crowd. ?Don?t let them get a shot of your face!? someone shouted, ?Administration will identify students from the photos and throw you out!? Some ducked their heads inside the collars of their coats and jackets; some wore paper grocery bags as masks, but most didn?t care and beamed and waved toward the cameramen. Would administration dare throw so many students out? The drum section started their cadence and the band quickly fell into formation. The school?s fight songs blared into the evening air. ?Let?s march on the State Capitol!? someone shouted and the band began to lead the way.
It was a grand spectacle to Jerry. He sang and cheered and marched happily along, confident that this would change official minds.
It was two and a half miles to the epicenter of the city, but youthful enthusiasm willed them on their way. Cars pulled out of the way and allowed the waves of students to wash over them. A few arrogant drivers refused to pull over, choosing instead to honk their horns and wave angry fists at the crowd. Jerry saw four boys simply walk over the top of one protesting car, the car?s roof buckling and popping back into place as they stepped over it. That made Jerry nervous, ?maybe this will get out of hand,? he said to himself, but then the band began to play Across the Field, and he let caution pass away.
The march gathered steam. Townspeople had heard something was up and now joined in, letting their long simmering feud with the rich snob college kids pass by the way. One enterprising bus driver opened his doors and invited marchers in. The bus was soon filled, so full the sides seemd to bulge out, with more students standing on the bumpers and in the open doorways. The bus crept along with the protestors; at least this driver would be able to get back to the barn before the night ended. The parade kept moving along and by now the police had decided that the only real solution they had, short of whacking a bunch of heads, was to let the march continue to Capitol Square. There they formed up a barricade with emergency vehicles, water hoses standing by if necessary, ready to end the march. They began to turn cars away from the intersection of Broad and High, the northwest corner of Capitol Square, and direct them to the side streets, allowing the mob to pass.
The band reached the barricade and stopped marching, the crowd spilling around them to sing the school songs and to chant, ?Bucks to the Rose Bowl, faculty to the toilet bowl!? If there was a sympathetic ear in the statehouse they failed to appear.
A squad of policemen formed a phalanx and marched toward the mob carrying a ladder and surrounding the police chief in the middle. They pushed the crowd back a bit and then set up the ladder. The chief climbed the steps quickly, pulled out his bullhorn. There were a few high pitched squeaks that caused the fillings in Jerry?s teeth to itch. ?This is an illegal assembly!? the chief bellowed, ?I am ordering you to cease and desist!?
The crowd let out long boos and a few in the mob shouted out some insults.
?If you do not break up this march I will have no choice but to read you the riot act!? the chief responded. Riot act, that was one of his father?s favorite phrases. He could hear that familiar deep voice, ?Read you/them the riot act,? but until this very moment he?d had no idea that it was more than just a figure of speech. Now he understood. There was such a thing and for just such occasions. Still it didn?t occur to him that what he was doing was wrong or that it represented anything more than a minor inconvenience to the rest of the city. If the university?s faculty wouldn?t be reasonable then they had to expect such outbursts.
The chief and the mob stood their ground. The firemen manning the hoses looked about nervously, waiting for the order to open the hydrants and turn loose the force of water. Jim Rhodes, the governor, had been a one-year wonder at OSU, flunking out and then re-emerging decades later as an ?Ohio State alum? in his campaign hype. The football crazy kids counted on him to right matters, but Rhodes refused to be drawn into the conflict and let the city and the school handle matters. At last defeat became obvious to even the most determined. The band turned around and led the way back to campus. Like most of his fellow marchers, Jerry remained convinced that somehow the message would get through and that some one higher than the faculty council would intercede.
It had been an exciting night, but by the time Jerry got back to his room he was dead tired. His Western Civ class, held in Orton Hall, just two floors beneath the campus bell tower, would begin at eight the next morning.
The chimes rang out the hour, the whole classroom vibrating as each note was struck. Professor Howard, dressed in a rumpled gray suit and carrying his notes in a worn black valise mounted the podium and turned toward the class, he ran a huge hand through his thick, coarse gray hair, took a sigh and then began to speak, ?I don?t want to know how many of you were out there last night.? His voice rumbled with anger, lightening flashed in his sad eyes and his spirit seemed to push the students back in their chairs. ?Starting a fire, hanging faculty members in effigy, my God, you would have thought it was Kristalnacht in Munich! The student body should be ashamed.?
He paused, looked down at the empty desktop and then stepped forward, ?In September the city of Columbus told you you couldn?t hear Harold Aptheker speak because he was a communist. Never mind freedom of speech, never mind your right to a peaceful assembly, never mind the university?s mission to investigate all ideas, never mind all of your constitutional guarantees, never mind the fact that the city doesn?t even own the university? they said ?no? and most of you let it go. The faculty stood up and reminded the president of this university that he, not the mayor of Columbus, not the governor of Ohio, he, the university president, was in charge of the school. The faculty demanded your rights to free speech be honored, otherwise that speech would have never taken place. You would have gladly let a handful of small-town politicians and narrow minded bigots like Dr. Pavey keep you from hearing a challenging lecture.?
He stopped, rubbed his hands across his face and then bored in, ?This week the administration is going to pass a rule that will keep you from dropping any course after two weeks. That?s a rule that affects each and every one of you from now until you graduate and yet only a handful of you will say anything to oppose it. But let the faculty tell you that it is pointless to go out to California and play a team you?ve already beaten and you take to the streets, disrupt traffic, destroy public property and act as if you?ve been denied life itself. I?m sick for this university. Go on down to the Student Union and grab another doughnut. I?m so angry I can?t say anything rational to you about Western Civilization.?
The class sat silent. Most of them stared at their notebooks, ballpoints and pencils at the ready, waiting for word on the reign of Caesar. Dr. Howard glared out at them in silence Jerry felt his face burn. At least he could say to himself that he had gone to the Aptheker lecture. That fact absolved him, didn?t it? Dr. Howard, eyes still burning with rage, stood slump-shouldered behind his desk, he shushed the students out the door as if his hands were a broom, ?Go on, get out,? he said wearily, ?That?s all for today.? The students, Jerry included, picked up their note books and slipped quietly out of the room, leaving the wise old man to simmer in his thoughts. The words burned in Jerry?s ears as he walked across campus. He hadn?t given his participation much thought. He saw the protest mounting, he had his homework done, he wanted to see the Bucks in the Rose Bowl and he marched. Now he saw the consequences. Now he saw the protest differently. How could he reconcile his love for football with this? He knew he never would.
 
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This stuff just ticks me off. It hurts the team, because instead of people saying man, that was a great game, or did you see that great play from so and so. They say yeah, they won, BUT did you see what the fans did after the game.

You want to be happy about them winning. Great, just show some freaking class...
 
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Cinci: So what, you didn't just assume that Prof. Howard had voted against the trip to the Rose Bowl and kick his ass??? Did you at least vandalize his car???? Come on, what are you, civilized or something? sheesh
 
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Cinci: So what, you didn't just assume that Prof. Howard had voted against the trip to the Rose Bowl and kick his ass??? Did you at least vandalize his car???? Come on, what are you, civilized or something? sheesh

I understand why kids get caught up in things like that and I understand how, from the inside, it's difficult to see the harm in it or the potential danger. In 1961 it would have been an all but impossible scenario to have the kids walk over the roof of the car only to discover that the driver had a gun... would that be true today?

Michner wrote a huge book about Kent State and quoted citizens in the state and especially in the town of Kent, who had little or no remorse for the students... "They had it coming to them... It's about time someone cracked some heads... That's what you get when you violate the law..."

It certainly brought an end to the riots on college campuses. Is that what this is going to come to? Another situation that gets out of hand and overworked cops loose their perspective, or a victim of the protest opens fire?

At least some of the Kent State students were motivated be sincere beliefs, how do you justify rioting over a game?
 
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I lived on 12th Ave when they had the couch/car burnings in 2002 after the scUM game. It was rediculous!! There were already fires started 20 minutes after the game had ended. Thankfully, there weren't any fires on our street but there were plenty on 13th and Chittenden. Most of them were started by idiots that don't even go to OSU. That is the real problem, most people dont wanna destroy the area they live in because they have to live there. When you get these kids from other colleges and areas, they could care less what happens. They just want to be able to go back and brag that they were part of the riots after the OSU game. After the 2002 incident we had cops come to our house a handful of times and ask us to help identify some of the people. We actually knew 1 person in their photos and turned em in. Life is about choices and when ya make poor choices you have to pay the price. We just had a normal party going on but because of the carnage going on around us people on our back porch got maced for no reason other than being outside on the porch. The scene could of been much worse. I honestly believe that if this continues to happen on campus, something very bad is going to happen, its inevitable.
 
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I was not only on campus for the game but walking around it quite extensively afterwards while visiting friends. I made it from my house on 8th all the way to Northwood which is a bit past Lane. In that time I only saw two dumpster fires. As far as a riot goes, it didn't happen. There were no flipped cars, no lingering traces of pepper spray in the air, no mobs of unruly students chucking bottles, no lines of riot police braying at anything that moved, and no store front windows shattered by trash cans. This so-called riot was really nothing more than a few isolated dumpster fires and a lot of small front-lawn trash fires being reported as something larger. I SERIOUSLY doubt that the kid who hit those people in front of the Union did so on purpose which is the way it is being portrayed. More likely he was so stone drunk he had no idea they were there until it was too late. Criminal yes, but it is getting played off like he ran a barricade while honking his horn and leaning out the window screaming, "Death to the pigs! Go Bucks!" It is one thing to call a spade a spade and say that the incidents were embarrassing for the university but the media is being irresponsible in portraying it as a riot.
The problem is that we've earned a reputation for behaving badly after games (deservedly so) and so when things like this happen people are quick to pull the trigger and call it a riot. Anyone on the ground could tell you it wasn't but none of these reporters were on the ground. It's hard to blame them looking purely at the list of incidents but that's the problem. They are only looking at a laundry list of incidents and then reporting on them as if they were there. They weren't. I was. It was a bad night for our image but NOT worthy of the black eye we are going to get for this. Yes the people in the area deserve censure for being stupid and lighting fires. Yes that kid should be charged with drunk driving among other things. Yes we need to behave better after games. But the fact remains there was no riot after the Texas game. Just an opinion from somebody who was actually there and sober enough to remember it.
 
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I think Jagdaddy hit it on the head. The problem is that these are NOT students, but its Ohio State students who get the dirty image. College football is not reported here. The aftergame fires apparently just got a couple of sentences in one of the local newspapers.

I don't get the thrill of it either. You set a dumpster on fire. And then?
 
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I am saddened by this kind of behavior. When OSU wins, I don't take my couch outside, and set it ablaze, nor do I set my trash can on fire. There are some real serious issues here. My idea of celebrating, is jumping up and down, and screaming at the top of my lungs! Or doing some end-zone type of dancing:tongue2: . Not very pretty though. Hopefully, if the students see other schools coming in and doing this, they might be concerned about outsiders messing up there turf, and running down their universities reputation.
Just some food for thought.
Moose
 
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