Poll: College Playoff Yes or No?

[OCBucksFan]

Right. Do you think anyone would have cared as much about the OSU/Texas game if that weren't the first playoff game for the 2006 national title? OSU/UM? USC/ND? Auburn/LSU? If all of these teams were just playing for a seed, and not for the right to be in the big game at the end, those games would have ultimately been meaningless, and the late season ones could have conceivably seen teams resting starters/players to protect for a playoff run.

I see your point, I guess realistically there's not going to be an easy solution to this, no matter what there will need to be a poll system in order to rank the teams.

I love the excitement the current college football season has.

 

[CookyPuss]

I've been trying to keep my comments in the old thread, but I'm giving up. The one argument that comes up time and again that I have the hardest time with is the "meaningful" argument. I understand the concept, but I don't get how certain games are "meaningful" and other games are not. Last year's OSU-scUM game had not national title or Rose Bowl implications and I did not find it less "meaningful" or less enjoyable than any other time we have beaten the Weasels. I guess it matters if you are going to a large tourney style playoff where basically everybody gets in, than yeah the regular season looses some luster. Thats why I prefer a smaller (8 team) playoff.

And, no, I don't think a playoff solves the existence of controversy. There will always be controversy.

 

[akronbuck]

playoff YES

I would love a 8 team playoff . Just like the NCAA BB tournament, pee wee, high school and the next level NFL. Thats how everybody grew up playing and I always hated how the NCAA/BUSINESS thinking made up the answers of the games instead, of the teams.

Like ND will be getting a BCS game cause of the money that can be made instead, of a better team. Like wisconsin is not allowed because, of only 2 teams from the same conference and is that really correct. They have to many problems and only a PLAYOFF COULD SOLVE IT.

Plus, we have Tressel as a coach. I like :osu: chances in a playoff

 

[OH10]

Playoffs (small)... and it's not even close.

It is amazing to me that D-1 College Football has had a poll system in place for so long that determines national champions.

We should all be able to look at this system for what it is - shit. Tradition? Fuck that. If you have a good reason to change, then fucking change. And I think there are pretty strong reasons to change.

 

[BayBuck]

Tradition? Fuck that.

It's that general attitude among proponents of a playoff system that makes me even less inclined to ever support the idea. This is major college football, where tradition is everything.

 

[Buckeye86]

We should all be able to look at this system for what it is - shit.

If polls are such shit then how do you propose the teams for the hypothetical playoff bracket are chosen? A selection committee? Even then, there's still going to be the same problems with one or two loss big time programs getting more respect than the undefeated Boise States of the world.

You say it's not even a close arguement (in the other thread), but obviously it is since both sides have valid points and it goes in circles.

 

[akronbuck]

If polls are such shit then how do you propose the teams for the hypothetical playoff bracket are chosen? A selection committee? Even then, there's still going to be the same problems with one or two loss big time programs getting more respect than the undefeated Boise States of the world.

You say it's not even a close arguement (in the other thread), but obviously it is since both sides have valid points and it goes in circles.

good points but, onething I can tell about college football is that when one top team loses early in the season two things happen to that team.

1st) they play half-ass rest of the season and lose a few games that they could have won easily like miami/FSU did.

2nd) they improve so much and finish at 11 - 1 and looks like the best team in the country but, can't play for the title

Also, Boise state killed oregon state and play in a weaker league but, USC lost to Oregon state and will/won the Pac 10.

Is that really feel with the computer system and how about auburn and no thanks.

 

[Oh8ch]

Tradition? Fuck that.

Maybe we could double the size of the band and spell "Budweiser" at half time.

Last year's OSU-scUM game had not national title or Rose Bowl implications and I did not find it less "meaningful" or less enjoyable than any other time we have beaten the Weasels.

You honestly didn't turn it up a notch this year?

 

[OH10]

It's that general attitude among proponents of a playoff system that makes me even less inclined to ever support the idea. This is major college football, where tradition is everything.

Yeah, and I'm proposing that we end Script Ohio, Howard's Rock, and Miami Thuggery... Some things are worth keeping and some aren't.

It's the general attitude that somehow "tradition" is a sufficient reason alone to maintain an assinine system that upsets me.

If polls are such shit then how do you propose the teams for the hypothetical playoff bracket are chosen? A selection committee? Even then, there's still going to be the same problems with one or two loss big time programs getting more respect than the undefeated Boise States of the world.

You say it's not even a close arguement (in the other thread), but obviously it is since both sides have valid points and it goes in circles.

Of course, you're going to have complaints no matter what and teams would have to be selected on a subjective basis. In the 65-team NCAA tournament, the teams left out bitch and moan. But does anyone ever say that they had no shot at winning a national title?

The bottom line is that if a team is in D-1A and they go undefeated in the regular season, they should have a shot at the national title. The only way to ensure that team has a shot is to have an 6-team or 8-team playoff.

How is that we have a system in place where Auburn could go undefeated in the SEC, do everything asked of them, and have no shot at the championship in their division of football? It's absurd, and that's why it is not a close argument.

A playoff with a guaranteed spot to undefeated teams in the only solution. Otherwise, we need to just start dropping teams from D-1A that have no chance at winning the D-1A championship. It makes ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL SENSE to have them participate on that level without a chance to win that level's title.

 

[BrockSamson]

I am not for a playoff per se, but definately for a new system. The bowl coalition, bowl alliance, and BCS have all served to sustain the current system, as would a playoff. None of the other changes have been adequate, and I have no reason to believe a playoff would be. The change has to be more fundamental.

There are only a few goals you need to pursue.

• Find an undisputed champion.
• Maximize the number of big games.
• Maximize revenue across all of D1 Football
• Maintain rivalry games.
• Decide it on the field.
• Essentially 12 or 13 games over 14 weeks to find the top two teams.

Fuck tradition? That's a little much, but you can't allow the development of a new system be completely hamstrung by tradition. Some traditions are worth keeping, and some are just tradition because it's never been different. A&M has so many traditions it's almost a joke. You can get rid of the "score board for the dead Reveilles" equivalent CFB traditions.

 

[BayBuck]

The bottom line is that if a team is in D-1A and they go undefeated in the regular season, they should have a shot at the national title. The only way to ensure that team has a shot is to have an 6-team or 8-team playoff.

Boise State is undefeated and still only merits 9th in the human polls--by what rationale should they get a shot among the best 6-8 teams in the nation in a playoff for the NC? They'd still get left out, just like Tulane might have when they went unbeaten and were only #7 and just like many other "mid-majors" would, given the SoS they carry. The BCS, flawed as it may be, does indeed give these teams a chance at the NC--that is, if they earn it, by scheduling and beating high-caliber teams during the all-important regular season.

 

[scooter1369]

I think a playoff is a great idea. for Baseball, Softball, Basketball and Volleyball.

Leave football alone.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

IF they're going to go changing things, I wish they could find a way to speed up the game. Can't we keep the clock running during time outs?

 

[CookyPuss]

I absolutely love this debate because it is one of the few topics where I actually see good, rational arguments on both sides. I also love it because there are so many options. I favor a playoff, but not if it involves more than 8 teams. I don't want some system where 8-4 Georgia can get hot for 4 weeks and win the NC.

Oh8ch (and others) has some great arguments for not moving to a playoff. I happen to disagree with him on those reasons, but I can't say he is wrong. In fact he is correct that a National Champ decided by a playoff only demonstrates who was the best team in the playoff and not the best team of the entire season. He says it renderes the regular season meaningless because then only the playoffs "really" matter. He is correct that I do remember the Drive and the Fumble games in Browns history more than the regular season MNF win over the Broncos during that era.

This debate has great passion because most of us fans see that the current system is totally commerical and largely exists as a cash cow for the big confernces and TV. We deserve better. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a solution for us all and so the debate will rage on...

 

[OCBucksFan]

I absolutely love this debate because it is one of the few topics where I actually see good, rational arguments on both sides. I also love it because there are so many options. I favor a playoff, but not if it involves more than 8 teams. I don't want some system where 8-4 Georgia can get hot for 4 weeks and win the NC.

I actually posted something similiar on the other thread about the bcs and a tourney. An 8 Team Playoff works perfectly at least in my opinion. It would give the 6 major bcs conference champs a seed in it then 2 at large seeds for notre dame (that's sarcasm btw) and some other team such as a Utah from a few years ago.

I do see both sides of the arguement however, I too love the bowl games and have also seen teams win thier conference with 3 losses or more. It's an idea though.

I don't think there will ever be a playoff system, however, it is a good debate