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powerlifter;1376119; said:
Christ almighty. At least I made it clear that I am biased in favor of Beanie. You should do the same regarding AP.
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Dryden;1376173; said:
McShay has you as the 3rd most ready RB for the NFL, you'd be crazy not to take the money.
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powerlifter
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BUCKYLE;1376256; said:
Well ill tell you what...When Chris Wells does what AD does..I'll admit he's the better back by all means..Shouldn't be a problem according to some here. I don't see that as biased. I could list a lot of pro backs right now that are better then beanie..or better then beanie when in college. I don't see that as favoritism. I see that as reality.
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powerlifter;1376262; said:
And if AP had done any of those things behind the offensive line Beanie's had to work with, I'd still refuse to admit that he's better.
BEANIE RULZ!!11!1
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BUCKYLE;1376264; said:
Not to mention playing in the big 10..I'm sure if Beanie would have played against texas his freshman year he would have put up 225 yards rushing.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
The discussion of the merits of a RB as a first round pick always comes up as Bowl season comes to an end. It almost becomes a self-fulfilling proposition, but I wonder if it isn't more a question of style or fashionability. Some of it surely also driven by fears of wasting a pick on a player that, by the nature of the position, risks season-ending, if not career-threatening injury (Carter, Kijana - poster child). Of course, similar logic hasn't stopped teams from repeatedly selecting (at great expense) the top rated QBs in the first round, often with highly questionable outcomes - and with greater financial exposure.
Time was that the top skill positions taken would almost always have the best outgoing RB in the discussion. Then a combination of the shift to an ever expanding passing game, coupled with the fear factor of first round busts at the tailback spot - whether through injury (Carter) or missed expectations (Dayne) or stupidity (Williams) propped up the (till last year or so) prevailing downgrade of outgoing RBs.
I wonder if in truth we are seeing a shift back to a greater willingness to take "can't miss" (yeah, no such thing) backs -
2006 - Bush (questionable?) Maroney (player) Williams, DeAngelo (success)
2007 - AD (success), Marshawn Lynch (player)
2008 - Stewart, McFadden, Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, Mendenhall
the backs in 2005 are arguably of poorer output, Benson doing some of his better work this year.
Still, when I see the Steelers (my vote for best drafting team this decade) taking a 1st round RB I'd conclude that this more than mere fashion. It becomes a confluence of need and best available talent to meet that need.
Running backs may be back in style in the NFL Draft, and that is a good thing for leagues like the Big 10.
Time was that the top skill positions taken would almost always have the best outgoing RB in the discussion. Then a combination of the shift to an ever expanding passing game, coupled with the fear factor of first round busts at the tailback spot - whether through injury (Carter) or missed expectations (Dayne) or stupidity (Williams) propped up the (till last year or so) prevailing downgrade of outgoing RBs.
I wonder if in truth we are seeing a shift back to a greater willingness to take "can't miss" (yeah, no such thing) backs -
2006 - Bush (questionable?) Maroney (player) Williams, DeAngelo (success)
2007 - AD (success), Marshawn Lynch (player)
2008 - Stewart, McFadden, Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, Mendenhall
the backs in 2005 are arguably of poorer output, Benson doing some of his better work this year.
Still, when I see the Steelers (my vote for best drafting team this decade) taking a 1st round RB I'd conclude that this more than mere fashion. It becomes a confluence of need and best available talent to meet that need.
Running backs may be back in style in the NFL Draft, and that is a good thing for leagues like the Big 10.
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DaytonBuck
I've always liked them
sandgk;1376272; said:
The Steelers also have fewer wholes to fill than most teams come draft time. Willie Parker was coming off of a broken leg so this really put them in a spot of need via the position.
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powerlifter;1376268; said:
No. AP is a god amongst mere mortals. Herschel Walker and Barry Sanders wrapped together with bacon.
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mercer_buckeye
Hall of Fame
BUCKYLE;1376279; said:
I just talked to Beanie he said he kicked AP's ass last week. And that's the truth with some cheese on it.
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OH10
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For those ragging on McShay, he appears to have been right about Gholsten. He wasn't worth taking that high.
And I agree with him on Wells v. Moreno. Beanie gets this unjustified reputation for being a great short yardage back just because he's big. But he rarely falls forward and often comes up short on the short yardage plays. Most of his yards have come from breakout runs over 10 yards. I can't recall any time where he grinded out the yards.
Then you have the injury issues, which can't help his draft stock at all.
That's not to say he shouldn't come out. He should because he'll still be drafted in the first round. But I must say that I hope the Browns don't waste their pick on him.
And I agree with him on Wells v. Moreno. Beanie gets this unjustified reputation for being a great short yardage back just because he's big. But he rarely falls forward and often comes up short on the short yardage plays. Most of his yards have come from breakout runs over 10 yards. I can't recall any time where he grinded out the yards.
Then you have the injury issues, which can't help his draft stock at all.
That's not to say he shouldn't come out. He should because he'll still be drafted in the first round. But I must say that I hope the Browns don't waste their pick on him.
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OH10;1376304; said:
Bullshit. Watch monday's game again, just for one example. If Beanie isn't getting the short yardage plays it's because the line isn't getting adequate push. Several times he met more than one defender head on and pushed forward for two or three after initial contact. He RARELY falls anyway but foreward, and you suggesting otherwise is fucking ridiculous.
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BUCKYLE;1376317; said:
The only time this year I actually seen Beanie being pulled down in the backfield a lot was against PSU(which you actually agreed with in another thread)..That was pretty much it.
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