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Pitt and Beanie Fundraiser Issue (split and merged)

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Moose;696960; said:
I think the NCAA needs to be probed for "Stupidity Rules", the NCAA should not be allowed to have such authority over family matters. What next, they gonna tell ya when and where you can take a dump?! I understand some of the NCAA rules, but some are waaaayy out in left field.
I know, I'm preaching to the choir.
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There are some dumb rules. This isn't one of them.
 
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CPD

NCAA, OSU talk over dinner

Wednesday, December 27, 2006 Doug Lesmerises

Plain Dealer Reporter
Columbus- A spokesman said Tuesday that an NCAA official has contacted Ohio State regarding a fund-raising dinner attended by Buckeyes running backs Antonio Pittman and Chris Wells over the weekend.
Bob Williams of the NCAA said a decision regarding possible violations such as these can sometimes be turned around in as quickly as one day and that the fact that the NCAA offices are closed this week should not slow down the process.
Though Williams could speak only on what he has learned through the media, he said it appears as though no serious violations were committed.

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Dispatch

OHIO STATE FOOTBALL
University studying possible violation
Quick action might limit response to fundraiser for four players' families

Wednesday, December 27, 2006

Ken Gordon and Tim May
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Ohio State continues to look into potential NCAA violations committed Saturday involving a benefit dinner for four players' families.
"We still have conversations to occur, and hopefully by the end of the week we will have it resolved one way or the other," athletic director Gene Smith said.
Asked if it appears to be a serious matter, Smith said, "I can?t comment on it at this point."

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methomps;697251; said:
There are some dumb rules. This isn't one of them.
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I agree. If folks were allowed to funnel money to the parents of athletes, pretty soon at the big football schools you'd have the parents of star players living in nice houses without paying any rent.

Or you could give money to the parent of one player, and he could pay the vast majority of the rent for his kid and some other player to live in a place much nicer than the dorms. :wink2:

Please note - I'm not implying in scenario number 2 that Mr. Leinart wasn't using his own money to pay for Jarrett's rent.
 
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Re: Wells? mother, Paulette, told the Akron Beacon-Journal she called OSU assistant coach Jim Bollman midway through the dinner to see if it could be an NCAA violation. When Bollman said it might, the families left and the organizing group decided to donate the dinner?s proceeds to pee-wee football.

I think we are real fortunate that Ms. Wells made that call.
 
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ScriptOhio;697517; said:
Re: Wells? mother, Paulette, told the Akron Beacon-Journal she called OSU assistant coach Jim Bollman midway through the dinner to see if it could be an NCAA violation. When Bollman said it might, the families left and the organizing group decided to donate the dinner?s proceeds to pee-wee football.

I think we are real fortunate that Ms. Wells made that call.
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Ms.Wells is beyond a great lady .
 
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Its probably been on all of our, that having to wait 51 days before the national championship game, you just knew that some kind of distraction would pop up sooner or later. And now this silly incident has to take place.
By now lets hope that the whole team is in Arizona getting ready to play this game without anymore dumb distractions. To me the NCAA is a big joke.
 
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I hope they are still able to go to the game. It would be a shame if they had other resources for getting there and did not go for fear they would be suspected of receiving some illegal benefit.

However, I read through the NCAA Bylaw 16 (LINK) and I cannot see how the benefit itself was a violation of anything. I think it would have been fine if the players had not attended. The rule states that a civic club cannot raise money for a student-athlete to attend a postseason game, but says nothing about the family. However, because the players attended the dinner, there could have been concern that they were receiving an "extra benefit" or that they were using their status to gain a benefit for their family.

Extra Benefit is defined as:


16.02.3 Extra Benefit. An extra benefit is any special arrangement by an institutional employee or a
representative of the institution?s athletics interests to provide a student-athlete or the student-athlete?s
relative or friend a benefit not expressly authorized by NCAA legislation. Receipt of a benefit by studentathletes
or their relatives or friends is not a violation of NCAA legislation if it is demonstrated that the
same benefit is generally available to the institution?s students or their relatives or friends or to a particular
segment of the student body (e.g., foreign students, minority students) determined on a basis unrelated
to athletics ability. (Revised: 1/10/91)
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Although there are not specific rules against it; Beanie couldn't set up a stand at the local mall and sign autographs, charge $5 a pop, and give the proceeds to his parents to attend the game. Likewise a 3rd party can't hold an event and advertise it as an opportunity to meet Buckeye players and give the proceeds to the parents. These would fall under the "extra benefit" category. However, I think it is reasonable to assume that communities would hold fund raisers to help families with travel expenses for various reasons and this would not necessarily be a violation in and of itself. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say that definitively.
 
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MuckFich06;697612; said:
I hope they are still able to go to the game. It would be a shame if they had other resources for getting there and did not go for fear they would be suspected of receiving some illegal benefit.

However, I read through the NCAA Bylaw 16 (LINK) and I cannot see how the benefit itself was a violation of anything. I think it would have been fine if the players had not attended. The rule states that a civic club cannot raise money for a student-athlete to attend a postseason game, but says nothing about the family. However, because the players attended the dinner, there could have been concern that they were receiving an "extra benefit" or that they were using their status to gain a benefit for their family.

Extra Benefit is defined as:



Although there are not specific rules against it; Beanie couldn't set up a stand at the local mall and sign autographs, charge $5 a pop, and give the proceeds to his parents to attend the game. Likewise a 3rd party can't hold an event and advertise it as an opportunity to meet Buckeye players and give the proceeds to the parents. These would fall under the "extra benefit" category. However, I think it is reasonable to assume that communities would hold fund raisers to help families with travel expenses for various reasons and this would not necessarily be a violation in and of itself. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say that definitively.
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The highlighted part would be a violation of his amateur status and his college career (in football, anyway) would be over.

For those more in the know, how would a family that can't afford to go to a game across the country raise the money to do so, and still not violate NCAA rules?
 
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