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Pitt and Beanie Fundraiser Issue (split and merged)

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osugrad21;697820; said:
Let me explain a point that might clear this up somewhat...prior relationship.
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I can't think of a single person who didn't bring up prior relationship before... and then get jumped for it by the same person who brings it up now. :roll2:

Regardless, much thanks for the insider info and clearing the entire mess up. It's nice to know they will all get to see their sons play on the 8th.
 
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23Skidoo;697874; said:
There have been past events (loans from "family friends" and the like) where a relationship established prior to college was a key factor and exempted actions that otherwise would have been violations. I recall this being a specific event here about 2 years ago, and the NCAA investigated and specifically said that there was no violation because the player and benefactor knew eachother prior to college. Please don't make me look them up...
Obviously TS and TGII were more than acquainted with his father beforehand, and they were the ones giving money. Which makes it even more dubious.
If you're going to claim it was a promotional thing -- it would seem to me the burden of proof is on the prosecution in that case. Not only that, but can you prove there was anyone at that party who didn't know Ginn Sr. before his son and Troy came to The Ohio State University?
I don't know about you, but I'm not terribly knowledgeable about exactly what happened in this specific incident. If such proof exists, then there seems to be a dichotomy. But again, the burden of proof would be on the alleging party.
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Isn't that exactly what I have been saying? There is zero difference?

23Skidoo;697879; said:
I can't think of a single person who didn't bring up prior relationship before... and then get jumped for it by the same person who brings it up now. :roll2:

Regardless, much thanks for the insider info and clearing the entire mess up. It's nice to know they will all get to see their sons play on the 8th.
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Where did I jump anyone for anything? Am I missing something here?
 
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Grad21, I take your point and don't feel that I have been jumped on at all, if that was what anyone thought.

I do not believe for one moment that Pittman or Wells set out to enrich themselves or their families.

I can't imagine what could be wrong with a community wishing to draw together to send a kid's parents to watch him in a national championship game.

I can imagine plenty that is right about enabling parents to see, in a national championship game, the kid who they love and lugged from game to game and supported financially and emotionally over so many years.

I can especially see that logic when it involves parents who are not wealthy and to whom a trip of this nature represents a major expense.

If you accept that college sports should be amateur sports, then the NCAA rules have a good objective. Unfortunately, the desire to win being what it is, some folks have tried to bend the rules over the years. The result is an archaic code of rules and regulations that no one can follow.

However, I hope that every Ohio State player in every sport learns the wisdom that Mrs Wells showed in this instance.

Rule 1: The NCAA rules are complex and almost impossible to understand.

Rule 2: Even if you think you understand the implications of your attendance at any event in which you will be identified as an Ohio State player or engagement in a relationship with any booster, re-read Rule 1 and call your NCAA compliance officer to get written approval prior to your attendance or entering the relationship.

It is sad that we live in such a world and it seems like a lot to ask of a kid who just wants to play football, but it is the price of playing football at this level for The Ohio State University and good training for not being used by others later in life.

May Mr Pittman and Mr Wells run all over the Gators!
 
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Dispatch

COMMENTARY
Everyone but athletes gets piece of the pie
Thursday, December 28, 2006

TODD JONES

Good thing the NCAA wasn't in charge of the Ohio State Buckeye Parents Fundraiser Spaghetti Dinner in Akron, or everyone in attendance would have been served porridge. The NCAA, named America's best monopoly a couple of years ago by a group of Harvard economists, still acts as if its "student-athletes" are cattle for the benefit of the cartel.

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Lots of questions anwered on this thread. Thanks to those who have done the bookwork and taken the time to talk to those that know.

The prior relationship piece was the piece that I brought up with a buddy of mine who immediately jumped all over the kids who "should have known better." I used LeBron James and Sian Cotton as an example. They've been friends for years. LeBron could have bought Cotton a Bentley and the NCAA would not have been able to touch it.

Whose to say that the people in attendance at this dinner haven't known these kids and their parents since they were 6 years old? Proving those relationships would be a bitch. In the meantime, the NCAA in all of their wisdom would suspend the players while the investigation took place. When there is nothing found the players are reinstated, but who knows when that would be? January 9? The NCAA has no interest in the well being of the kids and their families and their member institutions. Their interest lies solely in protecting the cash cow that is college football and maintaining their stranglehold on the people that make them their money: the athletes.
 
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Todd Jones brought up the notion of the NCAA not paying taxes on any of its revenue on account of its status as a 501(c)(3) entity. Congress has been looking at this issue for some time, and here is a link to the latest letter sent to the House Ways and Means Committee by Myles Brand. Good luck trying to clean up the nonprofits.
 
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While I agree that the NCAA rules go to extreme lengths to prevent some innocent handouts, when you talk about Pittman and Wells being "some kids who wanna play football" you're trying to make it sound like some kind of Rudy story.

Pittman and Wells will be making millions soon, and although most of the people at the spags dinner just want to help their moms and dads get to the game, you also get the star-chasing, self-serving jerks like the guy who gave Troy $500 who would try to be Beanie's "buddy".... Wilson will probably do well in the pro's too, I'm not sure, and I don't know that much about Haslam.

But the fact is that even as college players, they are celebrities and as much as I hate to defend the NCAA they are probably put in place, at least to some extent, to protect the players from those kinds of leeches.

If Troy had listened a little more closely a few years ago, maybe he wouldn't have missed the Alamo bowl and Miami (OH) games, and... who knows?

As some have said, good thing Mrs. Wells knew to call and ask.

Onward!!

Beat the snot out of Florida!!
 
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usatoday

Ohio State says no NCAA rules violations occurred at fundraising dinner

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) ? No NCAA rules violations occurred as a result of a spaghetti-dinner fundraiser in Akron last weekend staged so the families of four Ohio State players could attend the national championship game, Ohio State announced on Thursday.

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Crashcup;697871; said:
Banks don't make loans to people who need money!
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Uh... The whole point of a loan is to provide moneys to a person or entity who are unable to come up with said moneys themselves with the premise that it will be paid back with interest.

I think you mean, banks dont make loans to people who do not have enough assets for the loaner to confiscate in the event the loanee fails to make good on loan.
 
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