PF/C Kyle Madsen (official thread)

[Buckskin86]

November 2, 2009
Madsen the likely starter against Walsh

Coach Thad Matta said after practice today that he probably will start Kyle Madsen at center in an exhibition game against Walsh University on Wednesday night in Value City Arena.

Zisis Sarikopoulos, who was expected to start in place of injured Dallas Lauderdale, did not practice today because of an injury to his left knee, the same knee he injured while playing for Greece this summer in the under-19 world championships.

Matta said Sarikopoulos "tweaked" the knee Sunday when he and another player banged knees during practice. Matta said he expected Sarikopoulos to return to practice Tuesday.

Matta hopes Lauderdale also can return to practice Tuesday after his broken right hand is X-rayed. He said Lauderdale will not play against Walsh.

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[LitlBuck]

Sometimes I think we should not let our players play for their national teams overseas during the summer. It just seems like there is too much of a risk for an injury and why take the chance. I think Madsen will do more than a adequate job but no way could he be the starting center for us the entire season. He is a role player and we need Dallas if we are going to contend for the Big Ten title.

 

[LitlBuck]

Due to the late start, I listen to the game on radio while watching it on TV and the voice of the Buckeyes said that Kyle pulled a 4.0 in fall quarter of grad school. Now that's a GPA:)

 

[LitlBuck]

Re: Madsen - can he even be on athletic scholarship for grad school? I don't know the answer.

I am not sure of that specific answer but even if he was on a academic scholarship for graduate school he would still count against the 13 limit because he is playing a major sport.

 

[MaxBuck]

I am not sure of that specific answer but even if he was on a academic scholarship for graduate school he would still count against the 13 limit because he is playing a major sport.

Wrong. Academic schollies do NOT count against athletic schollie counters.

 

[Buckskin86]

His statistics aren't huge, but Kyle Madsen is a big man (the only man?) producing on Ohio State's bench
By Doug Lesmerises, The Plain Dealer
February 23, 2010

Nam Y. Huh / Associated Press
Ohio State big man Kyle Madsen (center, against Northwestern in February, 2009) has emerged as the only bench player trusted to see significant minutes by coach Thad Matta. ?When he puts me in a game,? Madsen said, ?he knows what he?s going to get.?

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The second time Kyle Madsen met Evan Turner, Turner didn't recognize him, months after that initial encounter.

"I was like, 'You used to be big and fat, right?'" Turner asked. "And he was like, 'Yeah.'"

Four years after arriving as a bloated 255-pound transfer from Vanderbilt, it's hard to believe that a slimmed-down 242-pound Madsen has emerged as a one-man bench for the Buckeyes. Averaging 2.6 points per game, he's not dominating. But in three of Ohio State's last five games, Madsen, as a backup for big man Dallas Lauderdale, was the only player to get any time off the bench.

Against Purdue and Michigan State last week, Madsen played 25 minutes and scored four points, the only help to the starters.

Coach Thad Matta's greatest praise for the 6-foot-9 Madsen is that he does what he's supposed to do, that he's always in the right spot defensively or to set a pick on offense. That might not seem like much, but the reason the Buckeyes don't go any deeper with their bench is because Matta can't say the same thing about other subs.

When Madsen enters, the No. 9 Buckeyes can keep doing what they do. At Michigan State on Sunday, Matta left Madsen in the game to pick up his fifth foul with 11 minutes left because he didn't want the Buckeyes to lose their aggressiveness in a dogfight.

Madsen fit right in to a battle that was critical to Ohio State's season. As the Buckeyes prepare to play at last-place Penn State Wednesday night, ask this: Where would be Ohio State be without him?

"When he puts me in a game," Madsen said, "he knows what he's going to get."

This season, that has included a 16-foot jumper off pick and rolls, Madsen shooting 59 percent from the field. Teammate Jon Diebler remembers Madsen making about 90 percent of his jumpers in open gym this summer. This from a guy who could barely breathe for part of his career.

His statistics aren't huge, but Kyle Madsen is a big man (the only man?) producing on Ohio State's bench | - cleveland.com

 

[Buckskin86]

Madsen reshapes body, career
Tuesday, March 2, 2010
By Bob Baptist
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

FRED SQUILLANTE | DISPATCH
Kyle Madsen is the only player on a short bench who has played in every game for Ohio State.

Evan Turner remembers his first introduction to Kyle Madsen. Turner, a high school senior, was visiting the Ohio State campus. The 6-foot-9 Madsen was newly arrived from Vanderbilt, where during a redshirt season he had been transformed into a Peterbilt truck.

"They were saying he was on the team," Turner said, "and I was thinking, 'Why? This kid is huge. He can't even move.'"

When Turner enrolled the following summer, Madsen struck up a conversation and Turner didn't recognize him. He had to ask someone who he was. Told it was Madsen, Turner said, "You used to be big and fat, right?" And Madsen said, "Yeah."

The big boy from Dublin Coffman has been through a lot in four years on the Ohio State men's basketball team.

Madsen sat out a season after transferring and lost the 20 pounds Vanderbilt had packed on him. He saw only mop-up minutes in 12 games as a sophomore. Before last season, he had surgery to repair a deviated septum, which allowed him to increase his playing time without having to gasp for air.

This season, Madsen is the only player on a short bench who has played in every game for sixth-ranked Ohio State. He is averaging 12.3 minutes in relief of center Dallas Lauderdale and has made the most of his chances by shooting 58 percent from the field.

The threat of him making his baseline jumper after popping off a screen has stretched defenses and created driving room for Turner, David Lighty and William Buford.

Madsen reshapes body, career | BuckeyeXtra

 

[BB73]

I am not sure of that specific answer but even if he was on a academic scholarship for graduate school he would still count against the 13 limit because he is playing a major sport.

Wrong. Academic schollies do NOT count against athletic schollie counters.

Normally, even those on academic scholarship will count toward the schollie limits as soon as they play either football or basketball for the school.

There are exceptions, but if the student was recruited for the sport he can't be 'hidden' from the team limits by classifying the schollie as academic. There are steps the institution must take in order to certify an 'academic' only scholarship that would be excluded from the team limits, and the student must maintain a 3.3 GPA (on a 4.0 scale) for 1 year.

NCAA guidelines:

15.5.1.2 Football or Basketball, Varsity Competision. In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited by the awarding institution and who receives institutional financial aid (as set forth in Bylaw 15.02.4.1) granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability does not have to be counted until the student-athlete engages in varsity intercollegiate competition (as opposed to freshman, B-team, subvarsity, intramural, or club competition) in those sports. For this provision to be applicable, there shall be on file in the office of the athletics director certification by the faculty athletics representative, the admissions officer and the chair of the financial aid committee that the student's admission and financial aid were granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability.

15.5.1.2.2 Exception--Receipt of Institutional Academic Aid Only. In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited by the awarding institution and whose only source of institutional financial aid is academic aid based solely on the recipient's academic record at the certifying institution, award independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, may compete without counting in the institution's financial aid team limits, provided he or she has completed at least one academic year of full-time enrollment at the certifying institution and has achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.300 (on a 4.000 scale) at the certifying institution.

 

[MaxBuck]

Normally, even those on academic scholarship will count toward the schollie limits as soon as they play either football or basketball for the school.

There are exceptions, but if the student was recruited for the sport he can't be 'hidden' from the team limits by classifying the schollie as academic. There are steps the institution must take in order to certify an 'academic' only scholarship that would be excluded from the team limits, and the student must maintain a 3.3 GPA (on a 4.0 scale) for 1 year.

NCAA guidelines:

You've essentially proven what I said. As documented by Rule 15.5.1.2.2, assuming the student-athlete maintains a 3.3 (and if you're on academic schollie you have no business with anything less), they're exempt relative to the schollie limit.

Now, if you try to play games by giving undeserving student-athletes "academic" schollies to try to circumvent the rules, you're in trouble. But true academic scholarship students may play a sport (including hoop) without affecting the overall athletic scholarship limit, which for men's hoop is 13.

 

[BB73]

You've essentially proven what I said. As documented by Rule 15.5.1.2.2, assuming the student-athlete maintains a 3.3 (and if you're on academic schollie you have no business with anything less), they're exempt relative to the schollie limit.

Now, if you try to play games by giving undeserving student-athletes "academic" schollies to try to circumvent the rules, you're in trouble. But true academic scholarship students may play a sport (including hoop) without affecting the overall athletic scholarship limit, which for men's hoop is 13.

It's not as simple as maintaining a 3.3 GPA. As also stated in the rules I quoted, the school must also document the legitimacy of the academic scholarship.

I wasn't attempting to prove either you of Litlbuck right. I was posting the rules to clarify the situation, which isn't as cut-and-dried as either one of you originally indicated.

Also, I think the fact that this discussion is in this thread may mislead folks about Madsen's situation. As far as I know, Madsen was recruited for basketball and has been counted against tOSU's hoops scholarship limits for the past two seasons. The limit was 11 this season due to APR restrictions.

His eligibility will soon be up and it won't matter either way going forward. Further discussion of tOSU's schollie count should occur here:

BP.BBall.Schollie.Count

Regarding the original question that prompted this discussion, yes, graduate students may receive athletic scholarships. There were a few of them on the football team last fall.

 

[buckeyes_rock]

Props to Madsen. When he first transferred here, I just didn't see him making a contribution. But the guy has done a really good job playing his role and helping this team. The fact that Matta trusts him enough to actually let him get off the bench...well, he's obviously won Matta's respect. LOL!

Great job Kyle! Good luck in whatever you do after hoops!

 

[MaxBuck]

... the fact that this discussion is in this thread may mislead folks about Madsen's situation. As far as I know, Madsen was recruited for basketball and has been counted against tOSU's hoops scholarship limits for the past two seasons.

Absolutely correct. Madsen, a grad student, is on an athletic scholarship.

 

[Buckskin86]

Smart guys

The Big Ten released its All-Academic teams for winter quarter today. The Buckeyes were represented in men's basketball by graduate student Kyle Madsen (sports management), senior Danny Peters (special education) and junior Zisis Sarikopoulos (family resource management).

Athletes must have a cumulative grade point average of at least 3.0 to be eligible. Madsen achieved a perfect GPA, according to the Big Ten.

Smart guys (Hoops & Scoops: an OSU basketball blog)

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