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People Leaving Cleveland and other cities

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buckeyegrad;213157; said:
I have to admit, I was suprised to see Cinncinnati at 2nd though....I guess everyone is moving to Clermont and Warren Counties.
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Eh, if you spend any time in and around Cincinnati you won't be surprised. This place is awful. The only people who are happy here tend to be dumbassed west side residents.
 
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CleveBucks;213495; said:
One problem with the Cleveland area is that there's not a ton of land undeveloped that's relatively close to downtown. Compare that to Columbus where most of the south side (Grove City, Groveport, etc.) is still relatively undeveloped. I'm always skeptical of Columbus' population counts, becase they're always annexing little townships that nobody's heard of and adding them to the city.
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Also, there's not much you can do with a shuttered steel mill other than tear it down and start the toxic cleanup. In contrast, the old shutterred breweries in Milwaukee have turned out to make perfect candidates to be rehabed into mixed use loft/office buildings.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;874290; said:
Also, there's not much you can do with a shuttered steel mill other than tear it down and start the toxic cleanup. In contrast, the old shutterred breweries in Milwaukee have turned out to make perfect candidates to be rehabed into mixed use loft/office buildings.
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And some very cool ones at that. Once you dig the old beer cans out of the walls (it was served all day in the breweries), they tend to make great community centers, too.
 
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As much as Clevelanders like to drone on...and on...and on about Cleveland being just a smaller Chicago, Milwaukee (if any city) has the true stake to that claim.

Another annoying Cleveland trait is constantly trying to portray the damned place as NYC, Chicago and London all rolled into one. Detrioters, on the other hand, are at least honest about how bad things are and frequently willing to admit that the place should be torn down and rebuilt. I respect that honesty much more than the ridiculous delusions of grandeur coming from Clevelanders.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;874322; said:
As much as Clevelanders like to drone on...and on...and on about Cleveland being just a smaller Chicago, Milwaukee (if any city) has the true stake to that claim.

Another annoying Cleveland trait is constantly trying to portray the damned place as NYC, Chicago and London all rolled into one. Detrioters, on the other hand, are at least honest about how bad things are and frequently willing to admit that the place should be torn down and rebuilt. I respect that honesty much more than the ridiculous delusions of grandeur coming from Clevelanders.
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Bullshit. I have lived in Cleveland most of my life, and have never once met someone who thought of the city as NYC, Chicago and London all rolled into one. Most are quite aware of what the shortcomings of the city are. But, you would know about delusions of grandeur... apparently the Miami coed that spurned your advances was from Cleveland.:slappy:
 
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ORD_Buckeye;874322; said:
Another annoying Cleveland trait is constantly trying to portray the damned place as NYC, Chicago and London all rolled into one. Detrioters, on the other hand, are at least honest about how bad things are and frequently willing to admit that the place should be torn down and rebuilt. I respect that honesty much more than the ridiculous delusions of grandeur coming from Clevelanders.
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I never heard that coming from any Clevelander besides the dopes in the "We Believe in Cleveland" ad campaign. Toby Cosgrove and Franz Welser-Most do not speak for the general population.
 
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redskinbucksfan;874354; said:
Bullshit. I have lived in Cleveland most of my life, and have never once met someone who thought of the city as NYC, Chicago and London all rolled into one. Most are quite aware of what the shortcomings of the city are. But, you would know about delusions of grandeur... apparently the Miami coed that spurned your advances was from Cleveland.:slappy:
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Ahhh, following me to another thread to take you little cheap shots. Seriously, quit stalking. It's getting to be rather creepy, Dude.

Besides, shouldn't you be worrying about your alma mater? That overgrown little boarding school's freshman class standards declined again this year, and their fundraising campaign is falling short by over 20%. Mother Miami needs you!

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I've always enjoyed visiting Cleveland. I probably have more fun there than any other city I've been to. I don't think I'd want to live there, but then again I wouldn't want to live in any city. I much prefer living in the sticks.
 
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Was in Cleveland last night visiting some friends. We drove through nasty neighborhoods and incredibly nice ones, most of which were adjoining. It is nice to visit for some of the amenities, but not a place I would want to call home.

My problem with Cleveland is it has never had consistently strong leadership. The people who want to make changes and have a vision are rebuked by those who fear a loss of perceived power with any change that could improve the area. Unfortunately, I do not see it changing any time soon. Everytime they get a good idea the "leadership" screws it up. Also, they must have the most uninspiring mayor now since Kucinich was boy mayor.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;874880; said:
Ahhh, following me to another thread to take you little cheap shots. Seriously, quit stalking. It's getting to be rather creepy, Dude.

Besides, shouldn't you be worrying about your alma mater? That overgrown little boarding school's freshman class standards declined again this year, and their fundraising campaign is falling short by over 20%. Mother Miami needs you!

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Sorry, just feel the need to refute bullshit. As for creepy, well just how much time do you spend fretting over/ photoshopping Miami? She's not coming back, just let her go
 
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My understanding of the issue: In the period right after the war the big Ohio cities wanted nothing to do with suburban expansion so they didn't extend city limits and din't pay to extend utilities to the burbs. As a result most became land locked and could not attract housing development. As a result (along with school bussing and white flight) they ended up with ghettos and no tax base to pay for the services. Columbus was the one city that went against the grain and annexed areas surrounding Upper Arlington, Grandview, Bexley etc.
 
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