Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[LovelandBuckeye]

So, rival?

 

[Zurp]

Who would have thought after the Haley scoop and score, PSU would lose the next 9 in a row to OSU

PSU never took advantage of the momentum of beating them in 2016. Losing the next 2 games against them that should have been wins, hurt. PSU should have had a 3 game win streak against them..instead they kept getting better and beat PSU 9 straight times, If it wasn’t for the aforementioned Haley...

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They're talking about the 2016 game and how none of them thought they'd go 9 losses in a row to Ohio State.

I forget who made the point here. BN27? Maybe. But this guy came to the same conclusion:

That may have been the most consequential play in PSU history. If that block isn't run back for a TD, how long does CJF last?

For some reason, they choose to whine about the targeting non-call from yesterday's game. They find relevance in anything they want to discuss.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Franklin is fired without that block. Almost worth it.

 

[BB73]

Unless they pull a rabbit out of a hat against Indiana in Rhythmic Slappy Valley this Saturday, Penn State will lose their 6th consecutive football game.

As a sympathetic Buckeye fan, since they are not a rival, I feel it’s necessary to point out that Buckeye fans understand their pain. Although not all in a single season, the Buckeyes have lost 6 straight college football games. It occurred back in ‘90 and ‘91.

Yes, 1890 (the first year of football) and 1891. I‘m still haunted by it.

 

[Gizmo]

Unless they pull a rabbit out of a hat against Indiana in Rhythmic Slappy Valley this Saturday, Penn State will lose their 6th consecutive football game.

As a sympathetic Buckeye fan, since they are not a rival, I feel it’s necessary to point out that Buckeye fans understand their pain. Although not all in a single season, the Buckeyes have lost 6 straight college football games. It occurred back in ‘90 and ‘91.

Yes, 1890 (the first year of football) and 1891. I‘m still haunted by it.

Dark times.

 

[Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux]

 

[BUCKYLE]

Dark times.

Literally. The sun had yet to ignite

 

[Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux]

Article version for those who prefer to not watch a 45 min video

https://onwardstate.com/2025/10/31/penn-state-history-lesson-the-death-of-justine-gross/

On November 10, 2021, Penn State sophomore Justine Gross fell to her death down the 11th-floor trash chute of Beaver Terrace in downtown State College.
Gross, a Summit, New Jersey, native, left her 10th-floor apartment to meet someone in an apartment on the seventh floor at around 11 p.m. that night. CCTV footage showed that around 40 minutes later, Gross and a male student left his apartment.
The footage showed Gross visibly unbalanced, stroking her face and holding onto a water bottle. The pair navigated their way back up the 10th-floor hallway, where the cameras show the male student leaving her in the hallway instead of taking Gross all the way down to her apartment.
The man headed back downstairs, and the next pieces of footage showed Gross on the 11th floor. She ran into the trash room barefoot.

The man told authorities that he had invited Gross down to his apartment for a “smoke” and offered her a blunt. He said Gross had a “bad reaction”, which prompted him to take her back to the 10th floor, but not all the way back to the apartment.



The footage didn’t show the man on camera with Gross on the 11th floor, and he said he didn’t talk or see her at all after he dropped her off on the 10th floor.
When State College Police finally started its investigation on the night of November 11, investigators couldn’t find any sign of Gross within the walls of Beaver Terrace itself. It wasn’t until 2:45 a.m. the next day, on November 12, that authorities discovered Gross’ body at the Centre County Refuse and Recycling Transfer Station.
From that point, nothing really happened. State College Police closed the case in February 2022, ruling out any foul play and determining the situation as an “accident”.

The Centre County Coroner’s Office met with Gross’ parents the day before State College Police closed the case to fully review her autopsy report. The report showed dashes of THC and “elevated” levels of alcohol in her liver tissue. When Gross’ parents asked for a copy of their daughter’s autopsy report, the coroner’s office asked for $700.
Gross’ parents reluctantly agreed for State College Police to close the case the following day. Investigators had already questioned the male student Gross was with that night and didn’t find any evidence of foul play.
Francoise Gross, Justine’s mother, maintained that she didn’t believe her daughter was so heavily influenced by marijuana and alcohol that she climbed into the trash chute and fell to her death on her own accord.
The autopsy didn’t check for signs of sexual assault. According to the authorities, Gross’ sandals, wallet, and cell phone were found on the stairwell, which leads her mother to believe that she was being chased.
Furthermore, Gross sent a mysterious Snapchat message to her roommate at 11:22 p.m. that read, “Something just happened.” Whether it truly was a bad reaction to the marijuana and alcohol in her system or something more sinister, no charges were brought forward against the man whose apartment Gross visited that night.
There was never even a name attached to the man who was the last person to see Gross alive. Whether that be because the Centre County District Attorney wanted to protect the male or his name pulled some strings for him, it doesn’t change the fact that Gross’ death is a tragedy, and authorities treated the Gross family with the utmost disrespect.
Rest in peace, Justine Gross.

 

[TDunk]

Narrator: That man was Brian Kelly.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Joe knew about the ass raping.


Just needs to be reiterated.

 

[Zurp]

The thread itself isn't interesting..

No departing message from Franklin? - Forums

I know he is polarizing and there are several thread disparaging him, I dont mean to do that here. I just read Brian Kelly's departing message to the LSU community, how much it meant to his family and so on. Napier did the same thing. I know these "thank you" notes have become trivial....like...

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But this post makes me think that their fans might be turning a corner. This fan is at least self-aware:

It's ironic that our fans love to call out other fanbases for being classless when our fans are elite in that category.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

The thread itself isn't interesting..

No departing message from Franklin? - Forums

I know he is polarizing and there are several thread disparaging him, I dont mean to do that here. I just read Brian Kelly's departing message to the LSU community, how much it meant to his family and so on. Napier did the same thing. I know these "thank you" notes have become trivial....like...

www.on3.com

But this post makes me think that their fans might be turning a corner. This fan is at least self-aware:

Pitt fan

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Ive been saying that since Franklin was fired. Firing him mid season is going to an incredible amount of damage to the program, with recruits, current players, incoming coaches, AD and program as a whole. I tried telling this to a co worker who’s a Ped St fan. He said that they had to do something to make another step. I made the point that what if they were already at their ceiling. His counterpoint was JoePa, and then mine was that if you’re using an NC from 40yrs ago as your level of success, than your program is not an NC relevant program. They’re a 9-10win program which is where Franklin had them. Firing him just made the next HC’s job almost impossible because his seat is hot if he doesn’t win the B1G in year 2 and an NC by year 3. And if the coach has less than 9 wins(which I think he will since so much talent will be leaving and recruiting is a massive burden there) than you’re going to have some embarrassed and pissed off big money donors who will have caused this entire mess

Taking this from the recruiting thread.

Their whole identity as a football program is so fucked up. An old demon coached there for 60 years, won 2 titles in 5 years, and then a total of 3 conference championships post ‘93. PSU won enough to stay relevant, but the real draw was JoePa and his following. The fans, media, and sport paid reverence to him, not Penn St, and it created monsters and a rudderless program after he left in disgrace.

The sooner they move on, the better, but they never will. His success is all they can point to that seperates them from Iowa or a dozen other decent programs. And the more they point to him as the pinnacle of football, the longer it’ll take to develop their own identity.

Franklin wasn’t a great coach but he was as or more consistent than JoePa was in his final 2 decades. And that’s all you really need to know about the quality of JoePa and their program.

 

[heisman]

Ive been saying that since Franklin was fired. Firing him mid season is going to an incredible amount of damage to the program, with recruits, current players, incoming coaches, AD and program as a whole. I tried telling this to a co worker who’s a Ped St fan. He said that they had to do something to make another step. I made the point that what if they were already at their ceiling. His counterpoint was JoePa, and then mine was that if you’re using an NC from 40yrs ago as your level of success, than your program is not an NC relevant program. They’re a 9-10win program which is where Franklin had them. Firing him just made the next HC’s job almost impossible because his seat is hot if he doesn’t win the B1G in year 2 and an NC by year 3. And if the coach has less than 9 wins(which I think he will since so much talent will be leaving and recruiting is a massive burden there) than you’re going to have some embarrassed and pissed off big money donors who will have caused this entire mess

I think if PSU was on an island and 2010 transfer rules were in effect, you’d be spot on. At this rate, half of major college football will have a new coach and PSU‘s new head man can just import his old team and hit the ground running. I mean, that’s exactly what Cignetti did at IU, and that’s with JMU imports.

 

[Zurp]

The sooner they move on, the better, but they never will. His success is all they can point to that seperates them from Iowa or a dozen other decent programs. And the more they point to him as the pinnacle of football, the longer it’ll take to develop their own identity.

I think this is spot on.
"They never will." Football, as a whole, will need to dissolve before they ever move on from him. And even then, it'll take a long time for them to move on.
"His success" - that's just it - they think it was HIS success. They think that he took a bunch of college kids and turned them into football players, after they success in school, of course. He didn't recruit football players. He turned them into football players. He did it. He did it all.
He's absolutely the pinnacle of football to them.

Franklin wasn’t a great coach but he was as or more consistent than JoePa was in his final 2 decades. And that’s all you really need to know about the quality of JoePa and their program.

Interesting claim. I figured I'd check on that:

In his last 20 years, Penn State was 172-75 under Paterno. That's 0.696.
In his 11 years, Penn State was 101-42 under Franklin. That's 0.706.
Since much of the seasons were only 11 games in Paterno's time, and Franklin's team got to 16 games last year, I think we need to only refer to win percentage, not the number of wins.
Paterno's teams finished with below 0.500 percentage 20% of the time. (4/20)
Paterno's teams finished with below 0.600 percentage 30% of the time. (6/20)
Paterno's teams finished between 0.600 and 0.800 35% of the time. (7/20)
Paterno's teams finished with above 0.800 percentage 35% of the time. (7/20)
Paterno's teams finished with above 0.900 percentage 10% of the time. (2/20)

Franklin's teams finished with below 0.500 percentage 9% of the time. (1/11)
Franklin's teams finished with below 0.600 percentage 36% of the time. (4/11)
Franklin's teams finished between 0.600 and 0.800 27% of the time. (3/11)
Franklin's teams finished with above 0.800 percentage 36% of the time. (4/11)
Franklin's teams finished with above 0.900 percentage 0% of the time. (0/11)

So, I would say you're right: their overall win percentages were close. The breakdown by season is pretty damn close, though. But Paterno had more terrible seasons, and more gooder seasons. Franklin was a little more steady.