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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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409fold said:
As referenced in pages 66-68 of the Freeh Report, a meeting occurred on Sunday 11-February-2001. Unless one is saying that the Freeh Report got that wrong, there IS NO "maybe he did and maybe he didn't."

Maybe Tim Curley went on some Saturday excursion where he did not have his phone (remember, this was 2001, cell phones were not ubiquitous). Maybe he was stuck as some painful get together with his wife's family. Maybe he was traveling with some Penn State athletic team. Maybe he was just sitting at home all day reading a book. I don't know. But I DO think it's possible that "Joe Paterno couldn't get (Curley) on the phone anytime he wanted to."

There are certainly situations in my professional life where I would NOT tell my boss truly horrible news (e.g., our biggest client is dropping us) over a weekend. E.g., if it was the weekend his daughter was getting married, or if he was at his father's funeral. Fair enough if you think I'm an idiot, but I simply don't see the comment as truly "outrageous."

IMO, Paterno should have advised McQueary on that Saturday morning to go to law enforcement ASAP. Paterno should have offered to go to law enforcement w/ McQueary if necessary. It was a miss for Paterno not to do these things. McQueary was the direct witness to the event and he needed to let law enforcement know what he saw as soon as possible.

But as regards Paterno informing Curley/Schultz --- whether that informing occurred on Saturday, Sunday or Monday --- I don't view the timing there as quite as critical. Neither of Curley/Schultz are/were law enforcement. They're bureaucrats.
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1) Presumes the relationship in which a person who is making a salary in the seven figures considers someone whose salary is in the six figures to be "his boss."

2. I don't know how your business operates, but as a teacher/coach and a staff officer, I occasionally had to pass bad news on. What you don't want is for that person to get the news from someone outside the organization or through the rumor (Non)control office. Not knowing where you or your boss are in the chain of command, I'm imagining your boss lighting up YOUR ass on Monday morning - "Our biggest client - I play golf with him a couple of times each year. I take him fly fishing with me. I might have been able to mend this, but now, if I'm him I'm wondering just how important we considered his business or just what kind of yah hoos I hire who don't let me know that my biggest client wants to end our relationship.

3. Ignoring points one and two, as a teacher or an officer I knew that something sexual involving a peer or a superior with a child was more than "bad news." A teacher who failed to pass on a report that a child was "possibly" getting abused a) at home, b) by another student, c) by another teacher, d) by a coach, e) by the janitor, lunch lady, secretary would find themselves fired on Monday and liable to a law suit. Joe had to know that and he had to act on it. He didn't.
 
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409fold said:
There are certainly situations in my professional life where I would NOT tell my boss truly horrible news (e.g., our biggest client is dropping us) over a weekend. E.g., if it was the weekend his daughter was getting married, or if he was at his father's funeral. Fair enough if you think I'm an idiot, but I simply don't see the comment as truly "outrageous."
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If this was news of an unexpected death or something akin to that (i.e. already happened and there is nothing that can be done about it), I would tend to agree, but not when you have the ability to take actions. (You might not call your boss to tell him your biggest client was leaving, but would you call him if the biggest client was thinking about leaving? Wouldn't you want him to have the opportunity to try to win them back? More importantly, wouldn't HE want the opportunity?) For all anyone knew, good ol' Jer knew he'd been caught, so he killed the kid and was burying the body. Taking immediate action was of the utmost importance. In my IMO.

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Fair enough, I'm a crappy and lousy and bad and awful person.
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Nah, you're alright in my book. I hope you stick around. I may not agree with everything, but I appreciate your perspective.

These points remain:

(1) Neither you or I can know for certain whether Curley even WAS available on Saturday 10-Feburary-2001. There are perhaps 100% legitimate reasons for a 1-day delay. We do not know for certain because (a) Paterno is currently dead and cannot talk on the issue, and (b) Curley is not going to speak of these things prior to his trial.
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EXCEPT: JoePa didn't say "I tried calling Larry, Moe, and Curly, but those lousy bastards were out in Vegas doing hookers and blow and wouldn't take my call". He DID say "I didn't want to interfere with their weekends". Perhaps he mis-remembered times and dates, but "not wanting to interfere with someone's weekend" seems like an awfully peculiar false memory.

(4) This is a rather weak point, but I feel it is worth mentioning. Curley/Schultz/Spanier (reference exhibit 5E in the Freeh Report) did not formulate and finalize a plan as regards reporting Sandusky until Sunday 25-February-2001. If one is to harp on a ONE day delay as regards Paterno, one should also harp on a delay by these guys that was FOURTEEN times longer. In the long run, whether the Paterno/Curley meeting occurred on Saturday the 10th, Sunday the 11th, or Monday the 12th, I doubt the timeline amongst Curley/Schultz/Spanier gets accelerated/delayed much at all.
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We would harp on those guys more if anyone was actually defending them, but everyone seems to agree these guys should be held responsible. The fact that the delay attributable to "un-ruined weekends" was only a day or two doesn't matter to me. It's not about the actual time delay, it's about the attitude. If he'd said, "So I sat down and finished my dinner, then I called Larry, Moe, and Curly.", it would be (almost) equally as reprehensible. It shows a mindset in which he recognizes what he believes needs to be done, but simply doesn't believe it is urgent enough to do right away.

I simply can't imagine anything in my life that would take precedence over reporting a possible child molester.

I give Paterno no pass on any of this, but don't take that as an indicator of me believing he is solely responsible. The stooges share Paterno's blame and Mike McQueary can rot.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
If you don't think the delay in reporting child rape was bad then you aren't a crappy person, you are as sick, demented and twisted as the pedophile or the pedophile enabling coach. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you are one of the guys over at BWI talking about your adventures with kids and how Jerry never got a fair trial.
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I've already revealed in this thread who my 2 BWI monikers are. (1) is 409fold (an account that makes fun of 9fold). The second, you can research if you want, to see if your hypothesis is true.

Anyway, I'm a visitor here. This is your board so I'll back off. Come back and visit again come the October game.
 
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911 was invented for the express purposes of calling the fire department if you see your neighbors house on fire. For calling an ambulance if you see someone having a heart attack. And for calling the goddamn police if you see/hear of someone being raped. Jesus Christ this isn't very fucking difficult to comprehend...

Fuck Joe Paterno in his rotting corpse ass and fuck every one of those sick BWI fuckheads that defend him...
 
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Saw31 said:
911 was invented for the express purposes of calling the fire department if you see your neighbors house on fire. For calling an ambulance if you see someone having a heart attack. And for calling the goddamn police if you see/hear of someone being raped. Jesus Christ this isn't very fucking difficult to comprehend...

Fuck Joe Paterno is his rotting corpse ass and fuck every one of those sick BWI fuckheads that defend him...
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But was it invented for maintaining an image of moral superiority? Riddle me that, Batman.
 
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The thing that bothers me, and I've said it in this thread, is that he reported it to his boss, and not the police. First, McQueary should have reported to the police. He may be #2 bad guy in this whole thing (with Sandusky being #1). But McQueary reports to Paterno, who wants to report it to his boss. So I guess he's supposed to report to his boss, who reports to his boss, on and on up to the president. What does the president do? Who alerts the police? The cult's deal is that that's what the employee handbook says for him (Paterno) to do. So who the fark wrote THAT policy? Seems to me that the story would get more confused than a children's game of "telephone" gets. Maybe that's the point - by the time the president is supposed to report the crime to the police, he doesn't really know what the crime is that he's reporting.

If Paterno was so willing to "report" this issue the way he did, I'm a little curious what else was "reported" in this manner.
 
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http://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/b1g-sos-commitment.26793/

It's not like Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers are much better. The big ten needs to ban almost half their own teams to be consistent.
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So they're complaining about the Big Ten and FCS teams or something - I didn't read the article.
Anyway, Dingus complains about the quality of opponents within the Big Ten:
Illinois - beat Penn State in 2014
Minnesota - hasn't played Penn State since 2010, from what I can find. I bet Minnesota would have beat Penn State in 2014.
Indiana - lost to Penn State 13-7 in 2014. Crushed Penn State by 20 in 2013.
Purdue - well, yeah - I got nothing on Purdue.
Rutgers - lost to Penn State by 3 whole points in 2014
 
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Zurp said:
http://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/b1g-sos-commitment.26793/



So they're complaining about the Big Ten and FCS teams or something - I didn't read the article.
Anyway, Dingus complains about the quality of opponents within the Big Ten:
Illinois - beat Penn State in 2014
Minnesota - hasn't played Penn State since 2010, from what I can find. I bet Minnesota would have beat Penn State in 2014.
Indiana - lost to Penn State 13-7 in 2014. Crushed Penn State by 20 in 2013.
Purdue - well, yeah - I got nothing on Purdue.
Rutgers - lost to Penn State by 3 whole points in 2014
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Where as they could have 3 and 1 against Wake Forest, Duke, UVA, NCSU and had their head kicked in by Florida State?
 
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BUCKYLE said:
:lol: I was a 22 year old construction worker. I had one. I'm sure the president of a B10 university didn't.

Yes, TRULY HORRIBLE news like financial stuff. I lost my wallet once with an entire paycheck in it. I'm basically a rape survivor.

A miss. A faux paux. Like the time I watched my neighbor's house burn down while their preteen children had friends staying over and they all died. Boy did I have egg on my face. RIP to the victims...or whatever you want to call them.
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You complete me.
 
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