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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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To add to what Mike said in reply, I think Tampa is right regarding what punishments are designed for, but ... and this was 20 plus years ago in a sociology class I took at Ohio State... studies have demonstrated that the threat of punishment does not play much of a factor in the commission of crimes. Most bad guys don't believe they're going to get caught, so it's no deterrent. Most good guys don't do the crime because ... well.. they're good guys.

Mike makes a distinction that is vital to understand, and it's not that overwhelming when you see it. The people who committed crimes surrounding the Sandusky rapes are indeed either dead (You lucky fuck, may you burn in hell) or in prison or set to go to trial. But, the institution which allowed these people to operate must be punished as well. It's no different than Ohio State being punished because Jim Tressel lied to the NCAA about his players being eligible by signing that document. It's no different than USC being punished for the acts of Pete Carroll. And, it really can't be any other way. People always default to "You're hurting the players, they had nothing to do with this" and I don't know what to tell ya. You're right, but as was discussed earlier in this thread, there is always going to be collateral damage in any punishment situation. You can't gut enforcement because of it, though. To not do so would lead to complete anarchy... Imagine cheating as rampant as the SEC. Image the NCAA looking the ot... OK.. bad example. :wink:
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
To add to what Mike said in reply, I think Tampa is right regarding what punishments are designed for, but ... and this was 20 plus years ago in a sociology class I took at Ohio State... studies have demonstrated that the threat of punishment does not play much of a factor in the commission of crimes. Most bad guys don't believe they're going to get caught, so it's no deterrent. Most good guys don't do the crime because ... well.. they're good guys.

Mike makes a distinction that is vital to understand, and it's not that overwhelming when you see it. The people who committed crimes surrounding the Sandusky rapes are indeed either dead (You lucky fuck, may you burn in hell) or in prison or set to go to trial. But, the institution which allowed these people to operate must be punished as well. It's no different than Ohio State being punished because Jim Tressel lied to the NCAA about his players being eligible by signing that document. It's no different than USC being punished for the acts of Pete Carroll. And, it really can't be any other way. People always default to "You're hurting the players, they had nothing to do with this" and I don't know what to tell ya. You're right, but as was discussed earlier in this thread, there is always going to be collateral damage in any punishment situation. You can't gut enforcement because of it, though. To not do so would lead to complete anarchy... Imagine cheating as rampant as the SEC. Image the NCAA looking the ot... OK.. bad example. :wink:
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Well said. The only thing I'll add is that I don't necessarily agree with the bold above. I fail to see how the players are hurt if, as was the case with the PSU punishment, the players are allowed to transfer to any school that will have them without having to sit out a year. If a player chooses to go to (or stay at) a school that he knows is being punished for its role in years and years of horrible crimes, then that is his choice. But there's nothing that entitles him, if he so chooses, to play for a bowl-eligible, non-scholarship reduced program.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Well said. The only thing I'll add is that I don't necessarily agree with the bold above. I fail to see how the players are hurt if, as was the case with the PSU punishment, the players are allowed to transfer to any school that will have them without having to sit out a year. If a player chooses to go to (or stay at) a school that he knows is being punished for its role in years and years of horrible crimes, then that is his choice. But there's nothing that entitles him, if he so chooses, to play for a bowl-eligible, non-scholarship reduced program.
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I agree with you in the case of PSU. I was speaking more generally.
 
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Vigil for Joe Paterno planned following Penn State-Michigan game

"We want to honor tradition and Penn State's proud history of Success with Honor," Wilson said. "While we love our new Coach [Bill] O'Brien and all of our scholar athletes, students and most especially this football team, we also remember and honor Coach Joe Paterno. Since the University seems to be unwilling or unable to do any remembrance of his life, we wanted to do this event."
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Afterward, according to the Facebook page, participants will gather at the former statue site to spell 'JVP' or '409' with the candles. Paterno won 409 games as Penn State's coach, though 111 of those were vacated as part of the NCAA sanctions last year.
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http://www.latimes.com/topic/mc-penn-state-football-paterno-vigil-20131011,0,6675593.story

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Wow. The NCAA just let them off the hook (regardless of your feelings on the appropriateness of the football sanctions) and how do they respond? By "spelling" out fucking 409 in candles after a game. Here's hoping someone brings a real candle and burns the whole wretched valley to the ground.
 
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Abenaki said:
Vigil for Joe Paterno planned following Penn State-Michigan game




http://www.latimes.com/topic/mc-penn-state-football-paterno-vigil-20131011,0,6675593.story

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Wow. The NCAA just let them off the hook (regardless of your feelings on the appropriateness of the football sanctions) and how do they respond? By "spelling" out fucking 409 in candles after a game. Here's hoping someone brings a real candle and burns the whole wretched valley to the ground.
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Cults gonna cult.
 
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Abenaki said:
Vigil for Joe Paterno planned following Penn State-Michigan game




http://www.latimes.com/topic/mc-penn-state-football-paterno-vigil-20131011,0,6675593.story

tom-delonge-wtf1.gif


Wow. The NCAA just let them off the hook (regardless of your feelings on the appropriateness of the football sanctions) and how do they respond? By "spelling" out fucking 409 in candles after a game. Here's hoping someone brings a real candle and burns the whole wretched valley to the ground.
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Anyone set up a Kickstarter before? I have an idea for a giant sound-proof, air-tight, helicopter-delivered dome.
 
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Abenaki said:
Vigil for Joe Paterno planned following Penn State-Michigan game




http://www.latimes.com/topic/mc-penn-state-football-paterno-vigil-20131011,0,6675593.story

tom-delonge-wtf1.gif


Wow. The NCAA just let them off the hook (regardless of your feelings on the appropriateness of the football sanctions) and how do they respond? By "spelling" out fucking 409 in candles after a game. Here's hoping someone brings a real candle and burns the whole wretched valley to the ground.
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gmen6981 said:
Although I put my money on the meteor, I don't know which I would rather see, scUM completely curbstomp the Pedsters, or have them win on a last second score made possible by an iffy call by the refs. The meltdown on BWI would be epic!
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Given the ramifications to Ohio State, I want to see the skunkbears win by 50. Fuck the Pedsters.

As for this little vigil, can someone see if the USAF can spare us some cluster bombs and accidentally change the targeting area from say, Utah to, Central Pennsylshitholia? Kthxbai....
 
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