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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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MililaniBuckeye;2184260; said:
No big deal is an understatement. Half of the seven "corrections" were typos, a couple were year changes, and one simply added the phrase "and states"...
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The "and states" was the most significant change. It moved the quotation from one person to another.

But if you are into conspiracy theory they were all huge changes. Especially the 2011 to 2001. Those are ones and zeros being moved around. The co-conspirators communicated in binary. (Neal Stephenson was heavily involved in the whole thing.)
 
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Oh8ch;2184225; said:
Cost of Freeh report
$60,000,000 fine
Lost revenue from no bowl games
Lost share of Big Ten bowl revenue
Lost Sponsorships
Civil Suits
Potential for reduced merchandise sales
Potential for lost ticket sales
Potential for reduced TV revenue
Potential for reduced alumni contributions
Potential for reduced contributions for academic programs
Potential reduced enrollment
Potential loss of federal funds
Potential Federal fines

Cost to remove statue
Decreased sales of Peachy Paterno

What am I missing?
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Possible lowering of their credit rating, which will impact their ability to cover for all the above losses.
 
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BuckJr;2184228; said:
I dont know about you guys but im taking the world in this one.

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Wall Street Journal - 07/24/12

A pretty standard article on the Penn State penalties, but with an outstanding bit of insight from a real Penn State insider:

Some people believe support for Penn State will stay strong despite the sanctions. "Given what the NCAA did today, I actually believe that since it didn't abolish the football season, that will mobilize alumni to donate even more," said Henry Giroux, a professor of English and cultural studies at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, who taught at Penn State for 11 years. "The football culture and the team will now be seen as under siege."
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The loonies are right that getting the dates wrong by 3 years could be a very damning mistake, but for the record:

Errors 1 and 2 said:
1) Page iv: IV. Curley Meets with Sandusky ? March 1998
Corrected text: IV. Curley Meets with Sandusky ? March 2001

2) Page 76: IV. Curley Meets with Sandusky ? March 1998
Corrected text: Curley Meets with Sandusky ? March 2001
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These mistakes were in the headings only - the actual content of the report had the dates listed correctly as 2001, not 1998. And it is smack dab in the middle of the timeline of events that occurred in 2001.

It may look bad by itself, but when the typo is in the context of the report, it's meaningless. The items immediately preceding it were from February, 2001. The item following it is from March, 2001. The narrative also states 2001 repeatedly.

Only someone looking at it out of context would find it problematic.

Error 3 said:
3) Page 10 : Special Investigative Council (two references)
Corrected text: Special Investigative Counsel3
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Oh, come on, you bastards. That's the worst mistake in there. *twitch*

4) Page 107: From 2008 to 2011, he was also legal counsel for the Second Mile and sat on its
Board.
Corrected text: From 2009 to 2011, he was also legal counsel for the Second Mile.4
5)
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Minor

Errors 5 and 6 said:
5) Page 28: Courtney emails Schultz a newspaper story about the Sandusky charges. Schultz
replies: ?I was never aware that ?Penn State police investigated inappropriate
touching in a shower? in 1998.?
Corrected text: Courtney emails Schultz a newspaper story about the Sandusky charges and
states: ?I was never aware that ?Penn State police investigated inappropriate touching in a
shower? in 1998.?5
6) Page 52: On November 4, 2011, Schultz emailed Wendell Courtney, Penn State?s former
outside legal counsel, stating, ?I was never aware that ?Penn State police
investigated inappropriate touching in a shower? in 1998.?
Corrected text: On November 4, 2011, Wendell Courtney, Penn State?s former outside legal
counsel, emailed Schultz, stating, ?I was never aware that ?Penn State police investigated
inappropriate touching in a shower? in 1998.?6
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Okay. So Schultz didn't lie to Wendell Courtney about knowing about 1998. Just to the Grand Jury. Clearly, that means he's innocent. :roll2:

I don't think a single one of these people have read the report. Outside context, errata looks bad, but when you see every other piece of evidence, it's damning.

One of you folks who is posting over there, I've got a bagful of vcash for the first person to take my analysis over to them.
 
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Oh8ch;2184225; said:
Cost of Freeh report
$60,000,000 fine
Lost revenue from no bowl games
Lost share of Big Ten bowl revenue
Lost Sponsorships
Civil Suits
Potential for reduced merchandise sales
Potential for lost ticket sales
Potential for reduced TV revenue
Potential for reduced alumni contributions
Potential for reduced contributions for academic programs
Potential reduced enrollment
Potential loss of federal funds
Potential Federal fines

Cost to remove statue
Decreased sales of Peachy Paterno

What am I missing?
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It is impossible to know what the stigma will also otherwise effect, but that could potentially go anywhere that they have to compete or be judged for anything...federal and private research grants, faculty recruitment (and thus the seed package they will need to offer to recruit), anything
 
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Buckeye86;2183969; said:
The more I think about it, the more "the NCAA is punishing innocent people with these sanctions" line of thought upsets me.
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I think jlb nailed this point. Organizations get punished when people at the top engage in gross misconduct. That's how it is, not just in NCAA-land, and that's how it should be. That why Enron and Worldcom get hit with massive fines when their CEOs and CFOs get caught flagrantly filing false financial reports, for example. The alternative is that no organization can be ever be punished for anything. Doesn't work that way. Nor should it.
 
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Some people believe support for Penn State will stay strong despite the sanctions. "Given what the NCAA did today, I actually believe that since it didn't abolish the football season, that will mobilize alumni to donate even more," said Henry Giroux, a professor of English and cultural studies at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, who taught at Penn State for 11 years. "The football culture and the team will now be seen as under siege."
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Yep, about as much as Enron stock dropping to $0.10/share rallied the shareholders to keep throwing more money at it. That'll fix the problem.
 
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